The Perils of an .xyz Domain • Hacker News Board

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by thaumasiotes » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:02 AM UTC

pasc1878 wrote: post #156

thaumasiotes wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> its the edge cases that make your spam folder. Well, from their perspective. Not from any reasonable perspective; I have a few obviously-spam emails in my gmail spam folder right now, but I've had plenty of problems with gmail refusing to deliver completely legitimate email to me.

If there was no filtering how many spammessages would you receive? I suspect any more than you see

Who cares? The only things that make it into my spam folder are obvious spam. Meanwhile, messages from people I know personally aren't even delivered at all. There is no way to characterize this as reasonable or even acceptable. Google is using metrics that are not related to whether an email should be delivered.

They need to tune whatever they're doing down to the point that legitimate personal communication at least shows up in the spam folder. If a lot more spam shows up in the spam folder too, so what? A spam folder that contains mostly spam and also some misclassified personal messages is significantly better than a spam folder that contains nothing but spam because it automatically dropped your misclassified personal messages.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by eruci » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:03 AM UTC

I run a couple of businesses with .xyz domain (geocode.xyz , poidata.xyz ) Never had any issues with email.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by weeblewobble » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:30 AM UTC

thayne wrote: post #164

krono wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking of messages/emails and blanket email server/domain/extension blacklisting is the same as a postal service not delivering mail to or from a particular entity/street/town. Doing so silently and without a valid and case-specific reason should not be legally allowed. Edit: Added "street/town" to analogy, and "case-specific" before reason

It's actually worse than that. It isn't blocked because of the sender or recipient, but because of the content . That would be like the postal service reading your mail and deciding that because of an address in the text of a letter, it shouldn't be delivered.

Amusing analogy. The postal service's unwillingness or inability to do just that has severely damaged their utility. If the USPS had a junk-filtering option I'd sign up tonight. Perversely, the postal system seems to embrace junk mail (e.g. if you sign up for address forwarding the USPS sends you a fat envelope full of junk mail as a "confirmation")

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by jccalhoun » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:39 AM UTC

I teach college and I can tell you that most people don't type urls. Many don't even know how. I will tell them to go to an address like kahoot.it to play a review game and most of them just type kahoot and search. if they do actually type in a url they will type kahoot.com instead of what I told them to type which takes them to the site for creating kahoots not directly to playing them. (you can get there from .com but it isn't the quickest way)

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by slj » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:44 AM UTC

SilverRed wrote: post #184

3836293648 wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're obviously American. .com is not the only acceptable domain. Each country's tld is perfectly fine for anything in said country. In fact, it's really weird when companies here in Sweden use a .com domain instead of a .se

It's kind of a pain to use .com.au because you have to register an ABN and have a company / yourself be directly related to that name. So I can't just come up with any cool domain name I want and create a .com.au for myself without legally registering that name too.

There's a little-known .au TLD just for this purpose- .id.au, and I've found it's still quite easy to snag a ${name}.id.au (No ABN required, AFAIK).

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by lmm » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 2:46 AM UTC

pasc1878 wrote: post #156

thaumasiotes wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> its the edge cases that make your spam folder. Well, from their perspective. Not from any reasonable perspective; I have a few obviously-spam emails in my gmail spam folder right now, but I've had plenty of problems with gmail refusing to deliver completely legitimate email to me.

If there was no filtering how many spammessages would you receive? I suspect any more than you see

I deliberately set GMail to the lowest level of spam filtering they'll allow, and still only receive a couple of spam messages per month at most. They need to adjust their levels.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by noduerme » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:09 AM UTC

duskwuff wrote: post #77

krono wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blocking of messages/emails and blanket email server/domain/extension blacklisting is the same as a postal service not delivering mail to or from a particular entity/street/town. Doing so silently and without a valid and case-specific reason should not be legally allowed. Edit: Added "street/town" to analogy, and "case-specific" before reason

You'd be getting an unbelievable amount of SMS spam if carriers weren't allowed to block messages. There's a lot of bad actors out there.

There's already an opt-out legal framework in place for marketing calls. Mass sending SMS spam to opt-outs is illegal. Prosecute the crime. It makes zero sense to try to guess from content.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by bhartzer » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:15 AM UTC

We did a bunch of testing of crawling, indexing, and checking of rankings of the 15 top tlds. The .xyz actually was crawled and indexed by google within a few hours, many others took days to get crawled.

Google prefers to crawl and index .xyz sites over others domain endings. But they won’t rank them well in the index.

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by SURA » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:24 AM UTC

I don’t mind the message being marked as `spam`, and I don’t mind looking up the spam list, but I feel scared when I can’t see it at all (has useful message been blocked by mistake?)

Re: The Perils of an .xyz Domain

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Post by mbreese » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 3:25 AM UTC

hermitdev wrote: post #109

teddyh wrote: post #87

If I ever start a super-secret club, I now know what the domain name TLD should be. Nobody would be able to spread the secret!

Personally, I'd go for some non-printable characters. But, maybe I'm just nostalgic for when starting a directory name with ALT+255 rendered the directory inaccessible to Windows 9x...

Not to be secretive, but I do have an emoji domain name (.ws allows them). You can use it for email, but it's a bit of a pain to use the address in practice. It's easier to send links directly to people, but it is kind of funny to be able to use emojis to email my kids.