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Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by pope_meat »

philwelch wrote: post #177
pope_meat wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CHOP was fine. Walked through there multiple times when it was happening because I was curious, it really does appear to me like media blowing things out of proportion for clicks/views.

Aside from the half dozen people they shot, I guess.

What's the excuse for the shootings that happened in other areas that the police didn't abandon? Perhaps it's because shootings happen regardless?

But you know, you're right, I'll take the news medias version of events, my eyes were lying to me, since what I witnessed doesn't jive with sensationalist news coverage.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by monoideism »

yongjik wrote: post #179
chmod600 wrote: post #73

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

I have trouble understanding how guns would defend an American's freedom. See, it's as if the US military trains soldiers how to hide in the Appalachian, raid local villages, and steal food and ammunition from trucks, because if a non-specified enemy conquers the US and its troops are marching down the streets from Sacramento to Boston you need these skills to hide and keep fighting. Except that, if you're at this st…

> See, it's as if the US military trains soldiers how to hide in the Appalachian, raid local villages, and steal food and ammunition from trucks,

You should hang out near Fort Bragg sometime. The Special Forces train exactly as you describe.

Also of note: most of them are very unhappy with the way things are going in the US. I disagree with them frequently, but they also have some good points.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by gonehome »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #128
sofixa wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

3x a small number is still a small number. Your chances of getting struck by lightning increase if you live on a hill, but no one is basing home buying decisions on that. The real argument is that guns enable acts that, while rare, and while they affect few people, are so egregious that we as a society will go to great lengths to ensure they never happen (school shootings).

Yeah - I think that's the core, outlier events are extremely bad.

I think there are real things that could be done short of a total ban, but the issue in the US it's a constitutional right so it's hard to restrict in any sensible way and it's politically impossible to amend.

As it is, the policy question is accepting the tradeoff of the right to bear arms vs. rare, but extremely awful death of school children. I'm not really taking a strong position, I think that's just the reality of it.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/PeSzc9JTBxhaYRp9b/policy-deb...

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/14/beware-isolated-demand...

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by igetspam »

a_conservative wrote: post #125
igetspam wrote: post #111

My wife (and many women) has felt that the only way to effect change in our gun laws would be for white men to feel like targets. I used to do iss that idea somewhat but as I've paid more attention to things over th last few years, I no longer dismiss the notion. I don't wish many people dead but if women and minorities start buying up a lot of guns, maybe they'll start shooting back. Then we'll see how many times th…

Making people feel like targets will persuade them to give up self-defense?

No, which is an interesting take. No major political party is trying to abolish the 2nd amendment. None. Reasonable limits on firearms and access to firearms is not going to take away your right to self defense. It could keep more guns out of the hands of felons by requiring federal background checks on private sales. Buy that's crazy, right? I should be able to sell my Super Redhawk to the drunk across the street without anyone knowing about it! Sure, I've seen him hit his wife but he was angry and drunk. He's normally a cool guy.

(For the readers: that's a 40 cal revolver that suuuuuucks to shoot and the drunk across the street is a real person, with a bunch of guns, who would like to buy it from me)

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by bingohbangoh »

poopypoopington wrote: post #195
bingohbangoh wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Furthermore, i find US fascination with their theoretical ability to fight their government with small arms adorable and misguided. Didn't a couple of unarmed protestors take the capitol building on January 6th?

1. Many of them were armed 2. That was because the Trump administration refused to send in the national guard for several hours after the terrorist attack on January 6th. If the government does not stand up to terrorists attacking the US Capitol, then yes, they can take the building quite easily.

they were armed? do you have a source for that?

The gun charges were dropped.

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #200
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>we don't have violent criminal gangs, almost at all. On the contrary, we have plenty of violent crime clans (mostly gypsy), they just don't use firearms but have no issue threatening you and your family or beating you into submission with melee weapons or bare hands/feet if you stand in the way of their (mostly) illegal activities while the local police, even when they're not on their payroll, are toothless thanks t…

They are not so violent compared with US gangs.

And the US gangs aren't so violent compared to the Brazilian gangs in the favelas or the Mexican drug cartel gangs; what does this have to do with it?

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Post by otikik »

chmod600 wrote: post #73

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

Who wrote this? A gun?

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by deelowe »

mullingitover wrote: post #154
sharklazer wrote: post #53

Everyone should own a gun, and most more than 1. If we were to maintain public education (which... just no, please) gun education should be standard.

I'd rather reduce my chances of being shot, which is a thing you can do by simply declining to purchase a firearm[1] > Overall, Branas’s study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. When the team looked at shootings in which victims had a chance to defend themselves, their odds of getting shot were even higher. [1] h…

People who feel the need to carry a gun, are more likely to get into incidents that involve shootings? Huge surprise there...

Did the researchers ever stop to question the reason why someone might be compelled to carry a firearm in the first place?

What happens to these stats when high crime areas and suicides are removed?

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by Clubber »

poopypoopington wrote: post #195
bingohbangoh wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Furthermore, i find US fascination with their theoretical ability to fight their government with small arms adorable and misguided. Didn't a couple of unarmed protestors take the capitol building on January 6th?

1. Many of them were armed 2. That was because the Trump administration refused to send in the national guard for several hours after the terrorist attack on January 6th. If the government does not stand up to terrorists attacking the US Capitol, then yes, they can take the building quite easily.

>terrorist attack on January 6th

Are you seriously comparing what happened on January 6th to 9/11? How about the Oklahoma City bombing? Lockerbie bombing? Get some perspective dude.

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