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Re: Problems with Oracle SQL

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Post by trevorishere »

Spooky23 wrote: post #78
torginus wrote: post #63

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I'm not sure why the hate against MSDN - at least for .NET, I found the documentation to be one of the best in the business -even a decade ago. I'd only put Go's docs ahead in terms of helpfulness. I cut my teeth writing .NET code, then switched to Java writing apps on Android - the step down in doc quality was quite significant.

I don’t work with Microsoft stuff as much anymore, but my big beefs with Microsoft product documentation are: - It is was often unclear what version of the “thing” was in scope. An article from product version X will reference X-1 documention. - Microsoft will gaslight you. If you interact with them on a significant issue, you need to snapshot their product docs. I’ve worked with Premier on issues when pushing produc…

Most Docs have public repos on GitHub, so you can see the PRs if the docs change.

Re: Problems with Oracle SQL

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Post by Akronymus »

torginus wrote: post #63
vjust wrote: post #14

It seems to be the general rule of thumb that, when you want to google for an oracle error message, then exclusion of both oracle documentation site, and developer forums is your first criteria on the search bar. Same applies to Microsoft (large parts of MSDN), and now Amazon Web Services documentation (at least some parts of it). That's the reason StackOverflow works - it really solves programmer's problems, instead…

I'm not sure why the hate against MSDN - at least for .NET, I found the documentation to be one of the best in the business -even a decade ago. I'd only put Go's docs ahead in terms of helpfulness. I cut my teeth writing .NET code, then switched to Java writing apps on Android - the step down in doc quality was quite significant.

It isn't a bad site per se.

Just most links seem to be broken.

Re: Problems with Oracle SQL

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Post by krylon »

p1necone wrote: post #200
habeebtc wrote: post #143

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Win32 and .Net docs are great! Azure and Powershell docs leave a lot to be desired. A lot of the time parameters are vaguely documented, return values completely undocumented. You have to inspect the object returned by a lot of things to get to understand what members and methods it has, and what they mean. Examples illustrating what formats it expects inputs in? Forget it.

Azure powershell docs are the worst . All you get told is the name of fields, no indication of what they mean, or the expected inputs/outputs.

I assume you have not encountered SharePoint. The SharePoint documentation I could get my hands on - even in books I paid for - was so bad it was like I was living inside some David Lynch interpretation of Ancient Greek myths of divine punishments unleashed upon the worst sinners.

More than once, the "solution" to my problem was a blog post by a SharePoint consultant from India describing some undocumented flag to pass to some obscure command, "but of course, you should never do this on a production system". (I bear no ill will towards Indian SharePoint consultants, to be clear. I just find it really creepy they seem to enjoy this kind of torment.)

Re: Problems with Oracle SQL

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Post by tdeck »

aksss wrote: post #160
zaat wrote: post #88

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answers.microsoft.com accepted answers are mostly accepted by the poor foreign support rep after OP have left disappointed. It is somewhat similar in quality to yahoo answers. Microsoft should be ashamed this pile of useless bits is public.

Let me make sure I understand the problem you're having trouble getting answers from answers.microsoft.com, is that correct? Please open the site answers.microsoft.com in Microsoft Edge web browser and once the page loads, look for answers there. This should solve the issue. Can you also please run the windows memory diagnostic tool and paste in the output in a reply to this message? Once you have done that, please o…

This is excellent and very representative.

Re: Problems with Oracle SQL

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Post by eloff »

sschueller wrote: post #169
simonw wrote: post #118

There was a comment on here a few years ago from a developer with experience working on the Oracle database codebase which put me off it for life: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18442941

OMG, comment right after would explain why we have a chip shortage.... "Sounds like ASML, except that Oracle has automated tests. (ASML makes machines that make chips. They got something like 90% of the market. Intel, Samsung, TSMC etc are their customers) ASML has 1 machine available for testing, maybe 2. These are machines that are about to be shipped, but not totally done being assembled yet, but done enough to ru…

Where do they find people willing to put up with that. Some people have a high threshold for job pain versus uncertainty around job hunting pain. I'd much rather the latter.

Re: Problems with Oracle SQL

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Post by sk5t »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #192
zaat wrote: post #88

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answers.microsoft.com accepted answers are mostly accepted by the poor foreign support rep after OP have left disappointed. It is somewhat similar in quality to yahoo answers. Microsoft should be ashamed this pile of useless bits is public.

> It is somewhat similar in quality to yahoo answers. “How is babby formed?" [EDIT] Corrected quote

"How is babby formed" - for those not participating in the zeitgeist of 2006.

Re: Problems with Oracle SQL

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Post by Spooky23 »

tasogare wrote: post #164
Spooky23 wrote: post #78

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I don’t work with Microsoft stuff as much anymore, but my big beefs with Microsoft product documentation are: - It is was often unclear what version of the “thing” was in scope. An article from product version X will reference X-1 documention. - Microsoft will gaslight you. If you interact with them on a significant issue, you need to snapshot their product docs. I’ve worked with Premier on issues when pushing produc…

Microsoft is a complex and big entity. While most of it is doing a bad job whatever it is, some parts are quite good. In particular now that the C# stack is fully open, it's very easy to report a bug (on GitHub) and developers are reactive from my experience (submitted a bug impacting the dotnet SDK).

Agreed.

That issue left a sour taste in my mouth. As a customer, I don’t really need to be in the middle of corporate politics, I have my own poisonous politics to deal with!

I share it because many folks can’t conceive that sort of thing being possible.

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