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Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by devwastaken »

AndrewBissell wrote: post #36
devwastaken wrote: post #31

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The announcement is for people with basic reasoning skills, not for those that take drugs based on Facebook posts. Ivermectin, like many drugs, is used for various things. COVID is not one of them, and those pushing it have no expertise to understand the medical studies, nor are they interested in doing a comprehensive evaluation. Yet again, actual experts aren't on the playing field, it's talking heads and hired deg…

Ivermectin is being prescribed off-label for Covid-19 by tens of thousands of doctors nationwide. Are those "people with no expertise to understand the medical studies"?

General clinical doctors are barely qualified to prescribe acetaminophen. They haven't been to medical school in 30 years, don't read medical studies, and have lost their ability to learn anything new. It's just a job to them.

Also, there aren't thousands of doctors doing that. If so I'd love an actual source.

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Post by zepto »

belltaco wrote: post #193
zepto wrote: post #124

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What’s the difference between those that take drugs based on Facebook posts and those who take drugs based on TV adverts?

You cannot make medical claims without FDA approval on TV.

Ivermectin is medically approved, otherwise doctors wouldn’t be able to prescribe it.

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Post by [deleted] »

ceejayoz wrote: post #187
ithkuil wrote: post #147

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Yeah they should have said. "Stop buying masks. There is a shortage and if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk! Since we live in a very capitalistic society we cannot reserve masks for healthcare use and instead we have to rely on all of you to do the right thing. Keep in mind that masks may not offer the kind of protection you think they do, i.e. th…

“Masks are in short supply; we are asking major vendors to sell them only to local hospitals. We are working to improve supply. Here’s how to make a cloth one for now, as well as advice on staying safe.” It’s really not that hard.

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Re: Doctors and pharmacists ramp up calls for Americans to stop using ivermectin

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Post by watwut »

beaner wrote: post #127
watwut wrote: post #116

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Sounds like you are really splitting hair there.

People know when they're being played for fools and if you don't treat them as if they're capable of nuance you will only lose their trust and push them further away.

We are talking about people who refuse nuance generally and act in quite insulting ways toward those they disagree with. This whole question is moot.

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Post by sto_hristo »

choward wrote: post #170
sto_hristo wrote: post #161

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And i think Chtulu is possible. Haven't seen it, can't prove it, but it has go to be true, just because i think it.

They said that it's possible and not that is has to be true. A big part of science is ruling things out. Ivermectin hasn't been ruled out yet.

Neither has been cyanide. And since i've always wanted to be a cult leader, I say that it's possible that cyanide cures wuhan virus disease if you ingest minute quantities of it. Don't forget to smash that like button, hit subscribe, and click on the bell icon.

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Post by ithkuil »

ceejayoz wrote: post #187
ithkuil wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah they should have said. "Stop buying masks. There is a shortage and if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk! Since we live in a very capitalistic society we cannot reserve masks for healthcare use and instead we have to rely on all of you to do the right thing. Keep in mind that masks may not offer the kind of protection you think they do, i.e. th…

“Masks are in short supply; we are asking major vendors to sell them only to local hospitals. We are working to improve supply. Here’s how to make a cloth one for now, as well as advice on staying safe.” It’s really not that hard.

If I read this sentence I assume you're taking care of supplying hospitals and thus if I find masks in a store I can buy one without hurting anybody.

This may be true or not; all I'm saying is that the sentence is not an accurate summary of what I wrote.

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Post by pseudo0 »

TOMDM wrote: post #105
pseudo0 wrote: post #73

This is a bizarre stat: > By mid-August U.S. pharmacies were filling 88,000 weekly prescriptions for the medication, a 24-fold increase from pre-COVID levels, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Meanwhile, U.S. poison control centers have seen a five-fold increase in emergency calls related to the drug, with some incidents requiring hospitalization. So despite prescriptions going up x24, and…

> So despite prescriptions going up x24, and some unknown number of people taking veterinary versions of the drug, emergency calls have only gone up x5? Wouldn't we expect it to be around x24 or greater? Why would we expect excess emergency calls due to doctor prescribed levels of ivermectin? Ivermectin is used to treat humans for other things, and unless it's a particularly dangerous treatment I doubt we'd see many…

Presumably the rate of overdoses or bad reactions would stay the same for doctor prescribed ivermectin, so 24x more prescriptions would result in 24x more overdoses or bad reactions. Then throw in the people taking veterinary versions of the drug that have to be properly converted to a human dosage, and I'd expect the rate to go up, not down, as they would be more likely to experience ill effects.

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Post by distances »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #131
joemazerino wrote: post #65

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Calling an established anti-viral medicine "pseudoscientific" is just team politics.

It is probably more accurate to describe IVM as a safe antiparasitic with well-known antiviral qualities. However, we don't always know when something has antiviral properties whether it has efficacy or not against a specific virus. That is why a number of studies is a great contributor to determining when it can be of use, or not.

Just to point out, I wasn't talking about Ivermectin, I have no qualifications to say anything about the medicine. Just commenting on the bogus "scientific" site the parent linked to, ivmmeta.
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