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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by toofy » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

S_A_P wrote: post #129

xutopia wrote: post #48

To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

He’s always been up and down that road. I don’t agree with Joe on a lot of things but I don’t know that is his goal. If there is one thing that I think Joe does reasonably well- its to have you consider your stance and reasons for feeling that way. I think it’s healthy to reflect on why you take stances on things like politics, culture and religion. Joe admits that he is “a cage fighting commentator” and while I thin…

> I do think he genuinely is looking for the best ideas.

I lean more towards he’s looking for affirmation to be contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian.

If he was looking for the best ideas, he would of had a completely different set of guests.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by cpach » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

knorker wrote: post #171

No wonder. Spotify is the most broken piece of shit on the app stores by far. Hey, let me download these so i can listen on the plane. Oh, the app just hangs on startup when you're in airplane mode. Well that's pointless. And on and on. It's a wonder anyone even can listen if they wanted to. Sorry, this comment is probably not HN material, but every time I use Spotify it makes me angry from how it just doesn't work.

I actually like Spotify. For music, though. Listening to podcasts in a music app – makes no sense to me. I have Overcast for that purpose and I see no reason to switch. I can understand that it was a good deal for Rogan personally if he got 100 million USD for exclusivity but for the average podcast host I believe that an open platform is much better.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by timr » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

valine wrote: post #180

timr wrote: post #146

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> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on…

Giving a platform to crackpots isn't always dangerous, but in the case of vaccines it's a public health concern. It's definitely not a good idea to give legitimacy to antivaxers during a pandemic when people dying. Save that conversation for another time.

I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by effingwewt » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

Milolol wrote: post #133

indy wrote: post #81

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Some episodes are no longer available, as if Spotify wants everyone to forget that they even exist. Episodes featuring Milo Yiannopoulos, Alex Jones etc. In other words, guests that offend the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley

Milo Yiannopoulos is a self-proclaimed white supremacist, that offends more than "the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley," it offends everyone that's not a white supremacist. Alex Jones testified to being a performance artist and hosts a talk show purely to hawk merchandise. Does that really fit the mold of a thought-provoking podcast like Rogan's?

Right, so don't listen to those episodes. I, on the other hand, like hearing both sides so I can make an informed decision on why I disagree with whomever.

'So and so is bad, I heard it from X' has never been good for any human society.

Pretending the episodes don't exist is rewriting history.

'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'

Personal point- if I saw Alex Jones personally I would not want to be him. He has, for his own enrichment, destroyed personal relationships, caused me endless arguments with friends/family and is a walking detrament to society. I hate with a passion the garbage he spews to sell some garbage fake pills. But I still believe he has a right to be heard.

We need to educate people not shelter them.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by timr » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

kelnos wrote: post #153

Clubber wrote: post #76

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I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you…

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> He's flat-out wrong; if you're 21, generally healthy, exercising, etc., you absolutely should get the vaccine.

While I generally agree with you, this is an opinion, not an unquestionable fact. Especially as we're seeing elevated risk of myocarditis in young men, there's absolutely a legitimate debate here.

I don't necessarily think Rogan is the one advancing that debate, but presenting opinions as facts is not helping anyone.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by anfogoat » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:55 PM UTC

I enjoyed listening to Joe's podcast quite a bit, and had been since around the hundredth episode, but to me podcasts always equaled audio files indexed in an RSS feed. So as far as I'm concerned Spotify does not have podcasts, and that they tout otherwise is enough for me to avoid them out of spite, Joe or no Joe.

Haven't heard Joe's voice in my ear since mid 2020.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by Mountain_Skies » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:55 PM UTC

Milolol wrote: post #133

indy wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some episodes are no longer available, as if Spotify wants everyone to forget that they even exist. Episodes featuring Milo Yiannopoulos, Alex Jones etc. In other words, guests that offend the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley

Milo Yiannopoulos is a self-proclaimed white supremacist, that offends more than "the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley," it offends everyone that's not a white supremacist. Alex Jones testified to being a performance artist and hosts a talk show purely to hawk merchandise. Does that really fit the mold of a thought-provoking podcast like Rogan's?

It wasn't just those two people. https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ikf9at/full_list_...

Also how do you know that either of those people are what others have told you they are? If you're unable to listen to them because they've been depersoned everywhere, you have no way of knowing if they're truly as represented or have been character assassinated. I'm not trying to convince you that either of them aren't who you think they are (from what I've seen, you're not far off) but rather have you see that you could be wrong about them (or others in the future) if you are not allowed to hear them first hand and only get views of them filtered through others.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by tinco » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:55 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #144

S_A_P wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s always been up and down that road. I don’t agree with Joe on a lot of things but I don’t know that is his goal. If there is one thing that I think Joe does reasonably well- its to have you consider your stance and reasons for feeling that way. I think it’s healthy to reflect on why you take stances on things like politics, culture and religion. Joe admits that he is “a cage fighting commentator” and while I thin…

> Joe admits that he is “a cage fighting commentator” and while I think he self labels that way to sometimes get away with fringe viewpoints This is the same way John Stewart and Stephen Colbert hid behind, "I'm just a comedian." It's a great strategy if you can pull it off.

You can pull it off if you've got integrity. John Stewart surely has plenty of integrity in my eyes. Joe's definitely also going for integrity, but maybe he's also liable to be pulled into the views of his guests. He certainly keeps an open mind, but if you surround yourself with a certain kind of people at some point you'll develop a bias no matter how open you're trying to be.

What's scarier are the persons who for the law are considered entertainment, but conduct themselves on Fox as if they're real journalists, and lie and deceive with impunity. If Joe Rogan could disrupt the right media with that, the same way John and maybe Stephen did on the left side, the world would be a better place for sure.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:56 PM UTC

jdprgm wrote: post #175

It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by fatcoward » Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 8:56 PM UTC

JxLS-cpgbe0 wrote: post #117

Clubber wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you…

> should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Yes that's anti-vax. We get vaccinated not just to protect ourselves from death, but also to protect those around us by reducing the transmission of disease.

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