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Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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post #137

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The comparison of one time vs subscription wouldn't be $15 vs $15 but more like $500 vs $15.

In what world is a browser worth $500? For comparison, a complete operating system (eg. windows) has cost around $200, and this was applicable even in windows 98 days, before microsoft was trying to monetize it using ads/telemetry.

When buying software the cost is heavily impacted by the number of users that benefit. Windows is used by >100m users, a new browser is probably doing well if it's used by >100. Of course the price is different.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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It looks like the primary redeeming tab groups feature could've been implemented as a browser extension which I personally still wouldn't use as I don't see that it adds any value over my current natural setup of having my "tab groups" basically grouped across across multiple browser windows and virtual desktops. So all sites I frequent are already open and I just use the OS shortcuts for opening the preferred browse…

Also tab grouping already exists in the free Vivaldi browser so it's an even less compelling feature to pay for.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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> Maybe they shouldn't charge $15/month for a product that's incomplete How do you expect them to ever finish the browser if they don't have any income from working on it?

Let me tell you about a thing called Ycombinator. They help you raise this thing called venture capital for exactly this purpose…

Investors like to see revenue, when they are looking to make an investment.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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Interesting take on a problem that many startups are trying to solve from different angles.

As everybody moves to web-based, cloud-native Saas tools, we're starting to run into the issue that browsers just aren't built for complex work in the same way MacOS/Windows are.

As you can see already in the comments here, the most savvy, HN-type users have come up with a variety of convoluted and hacky solutions to this problem already (reminiscent of that hilarious Dropbox launch comment, on Linux you can set up a system like this yourself quite trivially...).

So clearly it's a problem. Is this the right solution though? I don't know.

Some companies have created an electron wrapper for accessing multiple web apps, others have created browser extensions for existing browsers, others are building new browsers from the ground-up (Vivaldi, these guys, etc). Meanwhile incumbents are adding features, ableit extremely slowly, in this direction as well.

Browser extensions are the easiest distribution strategy, but they are going to run into feature limits pretty fast.

The electron wrapper options out there have worked for me thus far, but I have to admit I'm not loving them.

Vivaldi is interesting, but its clear to me the team working on it lacks taste and is throwing features at the wall with no real cohesive strategy.

I commend you for trying to tackle this problem on hard mode. I think the biggest problem aside from distribution will be competing with the extension marketplaces of existing browsers. If you can crack that nut, and are good at fundraising, I think you might have a chance at gaining some market-share slowly but surely.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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So I watched the demo, read the pitch, and read this whole thread trying to understand why anyone would think that a subscription browser could work as a business, and I think I finally see where they could go that might be interesting. It's right there in the name.

A steadily increasing fraction of work is happening in web apps - especially Electron apps that we download and run as "sort of real apps." The HN crowd, including me, loves to bemoan this as "real native apps" generally run faster and offer a better user experience.

But the thing about all the electron apps out there is that the majority are really native to the browser, and the electron version doesn't offer that much enhancement to what you get just running it in a browser tab. The reason most of us stop running those "always on" apps in browser tabs is more because it's clutter rather than because running the desktop app makes a huge user experience difference.

What might be possible if you designed a browser specifically for running many web apps at a time? A web-app OS. You could converge on better universal keyboard shortcuts. Get better performance and less disk space by not having a dozen full copies of chromium hanging out on your computer. Keep things organized as they've shown with workspaces.

But you could probably also bundle a lot of enterprise features in over time. What if the browser had SSO/SAML baked in so that when the company provisions the laptop employees are automatically logged in to all web based services with 2FA etc? Zero trust isn't easy for lower-tech users, and corporate security is worth a lot of money.

In a way it's like, what if ChromeOS wasn't an attempt at a full replacement operating system (which can work for many use cases, but it's a hard transition), and instead "SigmaOS" can be the virtual machine that you live your web-app life in without cutting you off from your "traditional" operating system?

It's an interesting idea, and I'm curious to see where it goes.

Now back to pricing, I find it really hard to believe this makes sense for individuals to pay $15/mo for. But companies? Maybe. So, my advice to the Sigma team would be to keep testing pricing, and if you want to validate the idea that pro users will pay maybe try something like $15/_year_ as an "early access price" for individuals, with "team plans coming soon," or something like that.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Vivaldi has one that can be invoked with F2, by default.

I think the parent is asking whether there is an extension for Alfred/Safari can search tabs in Chromium/Firefox. Not an Alfred like UI in Chromium/Firefox.

More specifically, if there was a F2-like extension for Safari or Chrome.

I didn't realize Vivaldi had it and it seems like one genuinely useful feature from this that I would use.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

#208

I’ve been beta testing this and I can honestly say that I love it! I don’t use too many web apps (except Notion) but still usually have about 50 tabs open on safari. With sigma, I’ve been able to organise all these tabs in different workspaces because I work on a lot of different projects and just this already has, imo, made me much more efficient. I can focus on specific tabs without having to move around like crazy…

Thanks for the kind words and for trying out SigmaOS. Glad we could improve your workflow :)

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

#209
post #15

The multitasking seems great. Can you just Shift Click any link and it will open it in the same tab? I'm wondering about workspaces. It feels like a thing that sounds like a good idea but then in practice isn't used much. My browsing is mostly chaotic and I don't really wanna spend time neatly organizing everything. Wondering what your experience with it has been. Good luck with everything!

If you like shift-click, you should also try out our command-click, opens pages as "sub-pages" :)

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

#210

Interesting take on a problem that many startups are trying to solve from different angles. As everybody moves to web-based, cloud-native Saas tools, we're starting to run into the issue that browsers just aren't built for complex work in the same way MacOS/Windows are. As you can see already in the comments here, the most savvy, HN-type users have come up with a variety of convoluted and hacky solutions to this prob…

Damn, that's a great breakdown, and discusses a lot of the things we've been thinking about and what led us towards building SigmaOS the way we are.

I'm actually implementing the Chrome extensions API, so SigmaOS will have the same extensions available as Chrome :D

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