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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Also a stand-alone user since 1pw4. This news finally got me to try pass, the command-line utility. https://www.passwordstore.org/ The format is plain text. You can git control your password repo. You can organize into directories, etc. It has an extension architecture; you can have it generate otps, for example. You can have specific passwords unlock with more than 1 key, if you want to do eg. family or business sha…

I was reading through the comments wondering why so many technically capable people are paying for a password store service when passwordstore works nicely in the space and gives you some comfort in knowing how it works.

I highly recommend pass.

My set up is as follows:

- setup the key, share the private key to other devices who are going to use the same pass store;

- use syncthing to sync my passwords between devices (you can use github - but I just find it works nicely with syncthing;

- all passwords and other content are just gpg encrypted text files;

- use the pass cli utility to read the passwords;

- first line of the text file is the password so the apps and cli will read that into the clipboard (with a time limit to expire if you are on your phone;

- for android phones/tablets I use 'openkeychain' to manage the key and 'password store' as the app to read the encrypted text files and copy the passwords;

There are other browser extensions etc. I just don't find a need to use them though.

It has worked well for me over the years while I have seen the passwords market go more towards a subscription model over time.

My wife uses the same system, I just set it up for her and then it is seamless for her as well.

https://www.passwordstore.org/

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I love 1Password but the subscription-only path doesn't sit well with me. They're intentionally removing key features so they can justify providing a service that I can do myself. I'm increasingly sick of good standalone software suddenly moving to this model. They are a business, I get it. However how many subscriptions are we going to have to end up with? I get it with Slack, Dropbox, Github, etc as they all starte…

> However how many subscriptions are we going to have to end up with? I started making a list to answer that question myself. So far, I'm up to SEVENTEEN, but I'm sure I'm still overlooking a few.

I remember dropping cable cos of the costs and now we all have 2-5 streaming services we pay for...?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm somewhere in between. I also paid for a non subscription version and I also feel like I was forced to upgrade to the subscription. Sadly switching password managers, especially if you share with a family, is really painful. We now pay the subscription, a tad begrudgingly, but I have to admit 1Password overall does a great job.

Bitwarden can 1-click import 1Password vaults.

That pushes me even further towards going that route. It looks like it requires an export-than-import though? https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-1password/

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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post #167
post #143

Switched to KeePass when they introduced the subscription model. I believe the only app that I tolerate as subscription is Lightroom CC. I want to minimise subscriptions because otherwise it is 5$ here, 10$ there and at the end it can be a surprising amount I have to pay each year. But yes, for some apps it may be worth it, but for 1Password I found suitable alternatives.

What subscription model? KeePass has no subscriptions, just local exec app.

Pretty sure they're saying they switched to KeePass when 1Password introduced the subscription model.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I'm perfectly happy with paying a subscription, and think $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. What I'm not happy with is the possibility of password access being limited or sync breaking if 1Password servers go down. At least with Dropbox (iCloud, wifi) sync, I have full control over the local vault file. Ultimately, it might be mostly about ownership and choice for me.

If the servers go down you'll never lose access to anything. You would lose sync while the servers were down but you would be able to access everything you already had on every device.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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What am I missing with these paid/subscription services?

I personally use KeepassXC (Linux/Android). It's shared via cloud, I have a keyfile off device so I'm satisfied it's pretty much completely locked down.

Is it browser integration? Genuinely have no idea why I'd pay for this, or why I'd trust a company with my passwords especially when it's not local.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I think the issue people have is YetAnotherCompany:tm: forcing you into their subscription walled garden.

And also from a user security standpoint, i don't think we can keep going on making enhancements to user security good practice habits if we gate keep good password habits behind paywalls.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I'll be an outlier with you. I install the app where every I am, authenticate, and BAM, I have my passwords. So easy even a caveman could do it. I've been a happy subscriber for years.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that’s a completely valid choice to make! Some people use vim and emacs because they find Sublime too sluggish. But that doesn’t make VS Code “shit”. It’s pretty much the shining star of Electron done right.

As a Vim user I will happily admit that Sublime is significantly faster in some key areas of daily use.

But even then I'd assume it was more due to the workflow than the original complaint, which was essentially "Electron = bad, you should be ashamed for using it".

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Is there a single reason to use 1Password instead of Bitwarden? Bitwarden has a better UI, supports all the same platforms (including browser plugins), lets you easily manage true separation between profiles (unlike 1Password, which essentially forces you to use a single master unlock for say work and personal), and most importantly, lets you self-host. And it's free. 1Password is consumer-hostile and an inferior product.
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