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Re: Please log in with router's password

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> https://me.shodan.io … this looks up information in the existing Shodan database - it doesn't launch a scan. But do you discard the IP or save it for future scans? :p

That's not how it works. Shodan continuously checks all IPs on the Internet. When you visit the website you're checking for existing information in the database. Your use of the Shodan website/ API doesn't change how Shodan crawls the Internet.

Yea, but website user IPs could be used as efficiency booster, proven to be live.

Re: Please log in with router's password

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> Folks - these routers are secure. There is nothing to see here, move along. If experience is any guide, they are not. Consumer routers have horrible track of embarrassing, easily exploitable vulnerabilities. That are not patched for a long time or ever. And exposing your router to public like that suggests the owner knows very little about security. This typically goes in hand with other neglect. Tell me, how many…

What router does HN recommend for consumers? I personally run Ubiquiti Unifi gear, but they're not exactly consumer friendly (more geared to power users).

Ubiquity AmpliFi. That’s their consumer line of routers with WiFi.

Re: Please log in with router's password

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> these routers are secure. Owner of a C7 v4 here. There has not been a firmware update from TP-Link since December 2019 (note that v4 is the second-most recent HW revision). No way these are not affected by at least some CVE somewhere in their stack. Calling them secure is a leap of faith that TP-Link does not deserve. I recently flashed openwrt exactly to be able to be on a more recent stack. I would never dream ex…

> If they really needed access to the router remotely, it would be much saner to expose an SSH server with pubkey-only access or VPN, both with brute forcing protection, and allow tunnelling to the router UI only from the LAN side. any chance you can explain that to my mum?

Your mom probably don’t need wan access to her router.

Re: Please log in with router's password

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That's not how it works. Shodan continuously checks all IPs on the Internet. When you visit the website you're checking for existing information in the database. Your use of the Shodan website/ API doesn't change how Shodan crawls the Internet.

Yea, but website user IPs could be used as efficiency booster, proven to be live.

It doesn't matter. We check every IPv4 regardless. And for our regular crawling we don't ping before we try to connect as a lot of firewalls block ICMP.

Re: Please log in with router's password

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What original post? It was a google search that reveals some router's remote admin page, that search doesn't mention any specific router brand or model. But regardless, I was responding specifically to your comment: manually overriding this configuration usually demonstrates a sufficient enough understanding that the default credentials have likely also been changed (That's why I quoted it in my reply) And the point…

> What original post? It was a google search that reveals some router's remote admin page, that search doesn't mention any specific router brand or model. It does, click any of the links. The specific search string OP used returns only C6, C7 and C9 routers (I clicked through 2 pages of results). You saw TP-Link and went off about things that were valid to complain about in the past... but are not specifically with t…

You can exclude strings to dig up more models. I got this far, but I think google is ignoring the last exclusion.

"Please log in with router's password" -"hacker news" -C6 -C7 -C9 -C90 -C60 -A9 -A7 -A6 -AX3000 -MR100 -MR150 -MR200 -MR600 -MR6400 -AC2300 -AC2600 -AX50 -C6U -VR300 -VR600 -VR2100 -TD-W9970 -TD-W9960

Re: Please log in with router's password

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What router does HN recommend for consumers? I personally run Ubiquiti Unifi gear, but they're not exactly consumer friendly (more geared to power users).

I personally run Ubiquiti Unifi myself, but after some news here on HN I have serious doubts and am in search of a better alternative myself. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26638145

So are we all, but there isn't one really. Unifi fills their prosumer niche perfectly, no matter how much of an ass and mismanager the current CEO is.

All of the competition either requires intimate knowledge of networking internals, is twice as expensive or both.

Re: Please log in with router's password

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There are legit reasons to have a router be publicly accessible. How else would one remotely manage a router (top results in Google are businesses and universities, for example). Since the default configuration of these routers is not to expose the router on the WAN interface, manually overriding this configuration usually demonstrates a sufficient enough understanding that the default credentials have likely also be…

Best practice for remote management of network devices is over a VPN or a remote access application designed for remote management, and it has been that way for decades. Web UIs on routers are designed for use on trusted networks, are notoriously full of vulnerabilities, and aren't typically hardened for exposure to the open internet. They often do not support any security features beyond a password. No fail2ban, no…

> Most router manufacturers will warn you against doing this for these exact reasons...

As opposed to actually solving that problem? I mean, if GMail, Jira, GitHub and GitLab all manage to provide secure web UIs, then what's the excuse of routers?

Why should the manufacturers just offload the technical complexity to the end user, as opposed to supporting something like 2FA through TOTP or an equivalent? Sure, that's not to say that any piece of software doesn't need extensive security testing, but at the very least they should attempt to establish a perimeter of sorts for their web application and use whatever popular auth mechanisms have been widely used in the industry in the last 5 years.

As for the eventual "routers don't receive updates" counterpoint: if my Debian boxes can receive unattended security updates, what makes it so that my router couldn't? If lots of self-hosted software like GitLab is relatively secure, what's to prevent routers from receiving a similar treatment and attention?

Personally, i'm just writing this to bring the odd juxtaposition to light - that things we oftentimes take for granted in regards to typical web apps are somehow not only not often implemented but also are unthinkable for some reason when it comes to devices like routers. I don't believe that this is a good thing and some sort of a convergence should happen sooner or later - GNU/Linux or BSD based router software that all of the vendors could adopt and, ideally, an open source web UI alongside mechanisms to keep it up to date automatically.

Of course, for some odd business reasons, that's unlikely to happen. Looking at the current state of routers, i find it extremely odd that every vendor has their own piece of software that's so different from the others out there, even down to many of the terms that are used to configure the operation modes etc. Yet, when we want to purchase a personal computer, we don't buy one with DellOS or HP-OS or what have you...

Re: Please log in with router's password

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post #50

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> Folks - these routers are secure. There is nothing to see here, move along. If experience is any guide, they are not. Consumer routers have horrible track of embarrassing, easily exploitable vulnerabilities. That are not patched for a long time or ever. And exposing your router to public like that suggests the owner knows very little about security. This typically goes in hand with other neglect. Tell me, how many…

What router does HN recommend for consumers? I personally run Ubiquiti Unifi gear, but they're not exactly consumer friendly (more geared to power users).

Mikrotik

Re: Please log in with router's password

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post #160

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What router does HN recommend for consumers? I personally run Ubiquiti Unifi gear, but they're not exactly consumer friendly (more geared to power users).

Yeah, I love the older Ubiquiti stuff (Edgerouter) and the Unifi access points, but all their new routers (like the UNMS ones) seem to require cloud hook-in which I really don't want. When the EdgeRouter-4 I have dies, I suspect I'm going to need to find a new hardware brand, this time preferably running OpenWRT. Potentially it could get to the point where I'll have to look for an ARM based server with low enough pow…

Haven't done it myself yet but did pick up an rpi cm4 based board to do this: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2021/two-tiny-dual-gigabit...
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