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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by chihuahua » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:08 PM UTC

Dah00n wrote: post #106

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel after 20 minutes on HN? Also, what subreddits/communmities are you in on Reddit that make you hate the world after 20 minutes? Are you on /r/popular or /r/all, or filtered down to your niche interests?

HN is mostly like a good day on Facebook but once in awhile it transcends every other social media. IMO it is going downhill fast though and the really good discussions are getting drowned out by China hate, nationalism, brand loyalty, etc. more often than not. All in all 30 minutes of Tiktok is likely to make me smile a lot more than HN but then there's not any real discussions so hard to compare the two. All of Red…

I've found the following to be free of negativity: r/bread r/oatmeal r/RICE r/nutrition r/velo r/Zwift

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by tablespoon » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:10 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #136

yuy910616 wrote: post #9

I'm really curious if China will go after bytedance next in its crackdown. My guess would be no. Alibaba, Tencent, DiDi, Meituan all are either local champions that have no competitive advantage overseas - and thus does not help China's growth. But TikTok actually represents that China might have a competitive advantage in deep learning algos that takes massive amount of data - therefore it would be spare from crackd…

> FB, Google, AWS, and Azue all have a competitive advantage that China don't - English. While true, that's the lesser of the competitive advantages. China's companies are locked in a highly restrictive CCP control box, which they're not allowed out of. That box will shrink further, suffocating the companies as it goes. It heavily limits how they can compete, what they can do, how fast they can move, and those restri…

> While true, that's the lesser of the competitive advantages. China's companies are locked in a highly restrictive CCP control box, which they're not allowed out of. That box will shrink further, suffocating the companies as it goes. It heavily limits how they can compete, what they can do, how fast they can move, and those restrictions will keep getting worse....The purges will get worse, the controls will get worse. It'll make it far more difficult for China's big tech companies to operate, they'll be increasingly hamstrung.

Is that insight or reassuring complacency?

I don't think China will be a replay of the Soviet Union. It's clear that the CCP wants remind people it's top dog, but it's not clear that will make those companies uncompetitive failures in the world market.

> The fake cover reason was data security. The real reason is that Xi and the CCP want China's tech giants pulled back home and away from foreign listings (foreign ownership, foreign influence). China ideally wants those listings to be domestic-only in the future.

How is this bad for the PRC? If anything, embrace of foreign ownership and foreign influence has weakened Western economies.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:10 PM UTC

jjice wrote: post #131

Lots of positivity in this thread, and I don't think that's entirely a bad thing, but I think TikTok is the worst of the social media platforms in terms of addictiveness, based on my peers. As a recent grad, so many of my friends are heavily invested in TikTok and have been since quarantine began, some of them for a bit before. The amount of time they spend there is absurd. Consuming 30 second content for three hours…

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by stale2002 » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

corobo wrote: post #165

ceejayoz wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that's about as credible as Facebook claiming to be turning over a new leaf on privacy, isn't it?

True or not it's still dishonest to exclude information that moots the point

It doesn't really moot the point. If they did stuff as egregious as that, we can make inferences about the company, their goals, and other stuff that they could be doing.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by cgb223 » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

rjh29 wrote: post #199

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #93

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> Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing It's been interesting to watch the steady decline of Reddit and Twitter since they launched. They've always had a significant amount of doom-and-gloom clickbait headlines, but in the past it was far easier to filter out the bad and follow subreddits or Twitter people wit…

Reddit is still good, you're likely subscribing to popular subreddits. Don't subscribe to anything that appears in r/popular or r/all. Try subreddits that intentionally ban politics or have Part of what keeps Reddit free of such nastiness (in my experience at least) is the downvote button. Sure, it creates an echo chamber that ruins the popular subreddits, but on the smaller subreddits, it means that anything toxic,…

I tried that approach and found that even in my niche interest subreddits that I subscribe too that somehow politics always found a way in, and became a top post for some cheeky reason.

Moderators also often selectively enforce the “no politics” rule either by only removing political things that conflict with their personal political views or by defining things that are political as not political so they can continue or vice versa.

I think a big part of the problem of Reddit is that there’s a handful of mods who just moderate everything

I wish there was a Reddit without all that crap, I’d pay money to use it

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by teddyfrozevelt » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #49

mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

It would be really interesting if TikTok allowed users to make a sequential thread of videos, and added a scroll control to view "next video in sequence". Currently "part 2" videos are very tedious to find, if they could make a way to continue a sequence from the fyp with a simple gesture or button, I think they could seriously challenge longer form videos as well.

They recently added playlists (they show up as yellow text with a gray highlight in the description) but the ability to make them may not have rolled out to everyone. They have notoriously slow roll outs (like with new TTS voices and the captions).

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by hardtke » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

The question is whether TikTok will continue to be as popular as they start onboarding more advertisers and showing more ads. Most apps tend to get worse when they start attempting to make money. Also, TikTok can't be cheap to operate unless they have somehow convinced all music labels to behave in a way they have never behaved before.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by ur-whale » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

Funny this crops up today: I was in line just a couple of hours ago behind a 20-ish lady who was using TikTok on her phone, and I got to watch her use it for a good 10mn.

This was both frightening and sad.

Specifically, the speed at which she was switching from content to content without ever (in the span of 10mn) actually settling on one piece to actually watch it.

The longest she stuck to one piece of content was on the order of 10 seconds.

Besides the fact that her brain didn't (couldn't possibly) register anything useful out of the whole usage stretch, the only think I could think of after witnessing this was pavlov's dog.

TV zapping on steroids.

Ugh.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by rchaud » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #183

I’m a 34 year old who just got into Instagram and TikTok. I love it and hate it. I love all the creative and ridiculously funny content I find. But I viscerally cannot stand and get angry over so much attention seeking garbage there is out there too. Just smug unqualified nobodies telling people to “stop it” with a smug meme song regarding health habits or fashion or whatnot. Or “oh no no no no” or “thank you Diane”…

I'm the same age as you. I remember downloading Snapchat years ago and and thinking "I don't get this, you take pictures and add ugly stickers to it and send it to people?".

With TikTok, I've seen some good videos, so I get the appeal. At the same time, no app has turned me off the way TT has.

- The Grammarly voiceover is like nails on a chalkboard.

- Your feed will always have some fixed % of videos which are nothing but bandwagoning on some contrived trend (usually a dance, but could be style of video too).

- Samples of popular songs, autotuned and pitched up to within an inch of its life.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by megaman821 » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

lbarrow wrote: post #6

Remember, though, social media giants are monopolists and it's impossible to compete against them.

These social media companies are so young, and most of them had to topple the previously largest company in their space to obtain their position now. I think with a little time that the social media giants will start bleeding market share, any monopoly regulation will be wildly out of touch by the time it makes it through the courts.