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The surreal experience of my first developer job

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Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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This is eerily similar to a job I had. I also worked for a young asshole CEO called Andrew, with multiple rubbish businesses, pretending to have more money than he had, having no idea what he was doing, and faced jail time a few years after I left. If you replace "property market" with "education sector" and "UK" with "Australia" we could have almost written the exact same article. I wonder how many of these companie…

Interesting that you mention the "education sector". That sector seems to have a huge number of dodgy "training companies" covering all sorts of industries.

My first ever job, straight out of college in the UK, at 18 years old, was a Web Developer at an apprenticeship training business. The structure of the business was that it was a "training provider" for web development, design and a few other things.

Rather than go to college or university, kids (usually around 16 years old) would go to this company to get "on the job" training. The company was accredited by a university, such that on completion of the "course", students would receive some sort of BTEC certificate, which is similar to a TAFE course in Australia.

A requirement of "training providers" is that they provide the tutoring to the students in order to obtain the BTEC, but must also place the students into businesses for around 50% of the course time to receive their "on the job" experience. The student must have received a certain number of hours of experience at a real web development company to obtain the proper certificate from the uni.

This training provider took on about 200 students a year into their web development course. Now it's impossible to place that many students with real web development companies. But for each bum on a seat, the company received a sizable chunk of cash from the government apprenticeship scheme, so it was important to get as many through the door as possible.

To solve the issue, the director of the training company (a guy I'll call Fred) who very much matches the description of other middle-aged "pretending to be rich" guys), spun up a series of fake companies for each course, such that he would place the students in his own companies to get their "on the job" hours. Each of the companies had it's own office, but usually attached to the same main building, and some in some random industrial estates without signage.

The web development company was the one I was hired in. The salary was just about enough for me to fill my car up and drive there from my parents house every day. Our "clients" at the web development company were all other businesses owned by Fred. Each of those businesses didn't seem to have any clients of their own, the whole web of businesses was driven purely from the training grants being generated by the main training company.

I worked there for a year and it was a very strange experience. Half of the time I was tasked with coding up websites for the web of businesses and doing odd jobs for Fred's friends (I remember spending a month building a website for a youth football team). The other half of my time was spent "tutoring" the apprentices who were in my office for 50% of their course. That mostly involved giving them "briefs" for clients which didn't exist, getting them all to code up their own version and add it to their portfolio.

I didn't have a boss at the web development company. On paper, I was the only full-time employee.

About a year after I left in 2012, I saw on the news that the training company had folded, because the university had caught on to what was happening, and stopped their funding. The entire network of businesses now seems to have been wiped from existence.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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post #177

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Healthcare is free in the UK. I don’t know where you’re getting the idea you need to spend “£5-6k” on it. A lot of employers in the UK offer additional health insurance as a benefit, but that’s on top of - not instead of - what the NHS offers you.

The quality of service of the NHS is extremely low compared to its European counterparts. It’s not my problem, because I have a very comprehensive healthcare insurance from my employer, which costs more than 300£ per month per person. Just to give a practical example, you can go through an entire pregnancy without ever seeing an NHS gynaecologist (I know because it’s my experience), and if you go to private doctors,…

With the NHS you need to "play" the system a bit unfortunately. The key is finding a great GP and asking for him/her by name when getting an appointment. There are a lot of terrible GPs out there and if you just listen to them you may get screwed. If you have a good GP (I would recommend looking up the practice and figuring the head GP there and then asking for him/her by name) the healthcare system is pretty good. Yes specialist referrals can take a while, but again if you have a good relationship with your GP they will be able to expedite it for you.

It's definitely not the same as the German system for example where every minor issue gets a million tests and multiple specialists, but usually that isn't needed. If you feel you need that and want to spend thousands on private appointments with specialists it is not going to be a good system for you. FWIW I've never ever heard of anyone that hasn't had loads of ultrascans in pregnancy. That is not normal at all.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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My first paid developer job was writing backend code for what I would later learn was the Canadian mafia. I was doing some backend and embedded work to build super shitty gambling kiosks for them. They already had some person "managing" project and the Indian contract house that was building flash games for the kiosk. He was useless, so I was stuck figuring everything out. Including getting things running on a then o…

There’s a Canadian mafia?

Looking at the responses you’ve already received there seems to be plenty. I recently learned of the Tow Truck mafia: https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/w5/this-toronto-area-lawyer-ha...

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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My first paid developer job was writing backend code for what I would later learn was the Canadian mafia. I was doing some backend and embedded work to build super shitty gambling kiosks for them. They already had some person "managing" project and the Indian contract house that was building flash games for the kiosk. He was useless, so I was stuck figuring everything out. Including getting things running on a then o…

> Your gut is probably telling you something. There are many times I have regretted not listening to my gut, something feeling "off". OP's story had obvious red flags but in all situations, paying attention to how your body (or "gut") feels is always a good idea.

I was kind of dumb and desperate at the time, I got better. These days I would just quote an amazingly unreasonable amount of money. If they said ok, well I could buy a whole lot of therapy and a house in Austin afterward.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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My first tech job was working for a karaoke company in London. I was hired as a music production manager but was studying computer science in my spare time and convinced my boss to let me revamp all of their tech. They were a tiny company and they appreciated the help I think. The boss was a lovely guy too who really encouraged me to run with it. The company was kind of lawless, no contracts etc. All very 'fly by the seat of your pants' . Also located in a pretty bleak industrial estate interestingly.

They went from running their business off of an excel spreadsheet and rendering 4bit graphics for their videos to having an AWS-hosted HD video renderer, a streaming on-demand karaoke service, a brand new website /store and the ability to create ringtones on an industrial scale and upload them to iTunes. I didn't do the development of the actual software, I hired a few companies and individuals to do it and acted more like a product manager I guess. The thing about hacked Magento definitely rang some bells, what we managed to achieve through abusing that thing was a thing of wonder / horror. We did so much with the wrong tools and with very little investment. I did write some in-house tools and scripts too. A few were in Scala which is hilarious looking back as it's not really the sort of language your average non-software engineer coder is going to know. After I left, they basically left all of my tools unmaintained in the hope they would keep on working forever as none of the Magento types they had on their books knew about this.

All in all it was an amazing experience to have this freedom. I could do what I wanted, I genuinely transformed the company by rewriting their internal tool chain, built new tech products for them and got to solve some quite interesting problems. These days I work on 'big tech', big corp stuff and I love it but I do miss the freedom.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a Canadian mafia?

If you think the idea of a Canadian mafia is funny... You may be positively tickled by the fact that the maple syrup industry is controlled by a cartel like group that may be mafia-adjacent and there have been high-stakes maple syrup heists. https://www.google.com/search?&q=mafia+maple+syrup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Canadian_Maple_Syrup_Hei... It's no joke, of course. That's precious stuff. And where there…

The low price of crude oil is amazing given its utility. I remember hearing about how oil (given its non-sustainable nature) should actually be valued a LOT more.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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This literally could have been written by any developer in the UK. I think most of us start out like this! I think the best one was a company I worked for in Leeds, it was building a secure learning platform for schools which ultimately fell flat on it's arse. The company was run by a self-made millionaire who was notorious for scamming people. He'd randomly lay off huge numbers of the sales team, and the first anyon…

You continued to work for 3 months without getting paid?

To be honest I don't pay attention to my paychecks. I work in Silicon Valley and have things direct deposited into my bank account, which I never check.

Theoretically, my current (and past) employers could have left out a dozen paychecks and I may not have noticed.

I don't think it's that unusual. If he doesn't have any money in his bank account it may be more noticeable.

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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My first paid developer job was writing backend code for what I would later learn was the Canadian mafia. I was doing some backend and embedded work to build super shitty gambling kiosks for them. They already had some person "managing" project and the Indian contract house that was building flash games for the kiosk. He was useless, so I was stuck figuring everything out. Including getting things running on a then o…

Is it bad that the strangest thing about this story to me is that the Canadian mafia procured an Itanium server and then just used it for random webdev?

Re: The surreal experience of my first developer job

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post #55

Contrary to most of the posts I read here, my first developer job was actually amazing. I just learned a bit of webdevelopment during my studies and liked it, then managed to get a part-time job while still at university. The company was started a few years before by 3 friends that studied physics and astronomy, but pivoted to software development for reasons I’m not sure about any more. Literally every employee ther…

Anecdotally, after participating in some mentoring programs I believe most junior developer jobs in 2021 are actually quite good. At least among the mentoring cohorts I’ve mentored. I think developer salaries have risen a lot since many of these negative anecdotes took place. The higher salary expectation for local developers has pushed a lot of the sketchy small shops to look for outsourcing opportunities for their…

> I’ve started noticing the inverse of this situation: Some of the juniors I’ve mentored end up working at ultra-cushy jobs at overfunded and undermanaged startups where they’re paid a lot to do very little. After those experiences, it’s hard for them to go back to a regular job where they’re paid normal comp to do normal amounts of work.

The "normal comp" is now bellow their market rate.

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