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Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by joeguilmette » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:16 PM UTC

Johngibb wrote: post #176

masklinn wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to see how it's worth mentioning. Xcode not being included in the Lion DMG is not surprising, it's "no shit": Xcode was never in the OSX image in the first place, why would Lion be any different? The only difference is that 4.1 is not released yet, and thus not currently available. That's it. That it's not part of lion (let alone installed by default) is anything but surprising.

XCode was in fact always included with the OS X images.

Iirc my MacBook Air (2010) came with Xcode installed on it. Could be wrong.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by masklinn » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:21 PM UTC

mml wrote: post #160

just installed on a second mac, notice that airdrop is nowhere to be seen (though it's on the GM).

It's in the Lion features page, so it's probably there. But not all models are supported:

    AirDrop

    supports the following Mac models:

    * MacBook Pro (Late 2008 or newer)
    * MacBook Air (Late 2010 or newer)
    * MacBook (Late 2008 or newer)
    * iMac (Early 2009 or newer)
    * Mac mini (Mid 2010 or newer)
    * Mac Pro (Early 2009 with AirPort Extreme card, or Mid 2010)

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by sleepyhead » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:22 PM UTC

ComputerGuru wrote: post #74

For all the Mac Developers on ADC: This is, to the best of my knowledge and according to reports from other developers, the same as the GM release on July 1st. If you have that, you already have the final.

Should have known that before I clicked 'buy'. Glad I own Apple shares so I can make a profit from my unnecessary purchase.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by masklinn » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:24 PM UTC

bengl3rt wrote: post #152

I'll echo what I said on the Siracusa thread: Has everyone managed to overlook how patently awful and useless Mission Control is on multiple monitors? Whereas in the Spaces view in Snow Leopard I could move a window to a different space AND a different monitor with a quick drag, Mission Control doesn't allow this - I have to first move the window to the correct "Desktop", then exit MC and drag it to the correct monit…

> so why have they crippled it so horribly in this release?

I'm guessing it's because they decided to put full-screen apps on their own space (sensible), but there's nothing else you can put in there since the application essentially is the space (if you shut down the full-screen mode, the application goes back to its original space).

Basically, lack of foresight: they built full-screen for small-screen machines (e.g. the Air) and it's just broken for multi-screen.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by jamesu » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:25 PM UTC

lean wrote: post #171

jamesu wrote: post #133

I feel greatly let down by the Calendar and Address book apps. The whole "looks like a real office object" metaphor reminds me too much of Microsoft Bob. Also the menu to select calendars feels poorly designed and doesn't always update correctly. The default view in mail is practically useless to me as often i tend to sort messages by date, person, or subject in order to find stuff. So in some regards a step forwards…

A show of hands, does anyone use these apps? I haven't used anything but a web interface for webapps for a while now. iCal and Address Book are always among the first things deleted by me on a new OSX install.

I have yet to find equivalent web apps which offer equivalent security and poweruser capabilities.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by masklinn » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:25 PM UTC

microtonal wrote: post #66

c1sc0 wrote: post #52

Anyone been running Xcode on Lion? I've kind of ignored the seeds & would like to know if it's safe to update my dev workstation, or wait until after a few updates?

Lion + Xcode 4.1 GM crashes a few times per day while doing C++ coding on a fairly small project. Besides that, I do not see Xcode 4.1 in the App Store yet, so it's currently only available with a Mac Developer Account.

Xcode 4.1 has now been released in MAS.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by masklinn » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:30 PM UTC

hcal wrote: post #136

checker wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After using my first MBP for a while, I'm kind of regretting getting the 15 inch. With the high-res screen, and as long as you have good eyes, the 13 seems just as functional and more portable. I love using my girlfriend's. My two cents, if Nemesis ends up going with a MBP.

I sold my older 15in MBP to get a unibody 13MBP. I lasted 4 months before selling the 13 to go back to 15in (thank goodness for high resell values.) The little bit of extra space just makes it so much easier to juggle open windows and see data from different programs while working. People think I'm a major multitasker with they see all my open windows, but really I'm working on one task with lots of varied inputs. I'…

Note that the Airs have much more manageable screen real-estate than the 13" MBP: the 11" already has a higher resolution than the 13" MBP, and the 13" MBA has the same resolution as a non-HD 15" MBP.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by durin42 » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:31 PM UTC

blinkingled wrote: post #30

How is the backwards compatibility in general? I got a Oracle 10g database running on SL that I am particularly worried about. I got it anyways - will have to do a full backup and find out I suppose. Speaking of 4GB downloads - OS X still does not have something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer... which can utilize priorities, throttling and do idle bandwidth downloads. That means my…

What is the max user processes ulimit set to?

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by rtrunck » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:31 PM UTC

sgt wrote: post #159

I'm not going to buy it unless I can buy a DVD with OS X Lion on it. Too much to transfer over a poor bandwidth mobile connection.

If you can make it to an Apple store you can apparently download it from there. http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/19/apple-retail-has-3-lion-instal...

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by mitchty » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:32 PM UTC

coderdude wrote: post #15

Not being a Mac user, is this significant? Like when Windows is released?

For most users no, but for $30 its kind of hard to make excuses not to upgrade.

I'm a huge fan of the ASLR and sandboxing changes so security wise there are good reasons to upgrade.