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Re: Firefox 90

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I think Firefox news is what I comment most on here. I don't know why. Well I guess I do. Web browsers, javascript etc is front and center here - which somewhat means the digital world. All my friends use Chrome, and think I'm weird. I think _they_ are. They care about human rights, at least I think they do. But, having Google, an ad company, dictate how our window to the digital world looks like, is now _way worse_…

Thanks for a good spank. HN needs one once in a while.

Re: Firefox 90

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How is big tech "stifling everything". Big tech has provided the amazing hardware advances over the last few decades. Amazon Google and Microsoft provide amazing platforms that make it way easier for anyone to boostrap a scalable business. I no longer use Chrome, I just prefer Firefox but at the very least chrome gave browsers the kick up the back side they needed, mainly through V8 giving us JavaScript that runs fas…

Actually much of the "hardware advances" were engineered with public money: internet, GPS, GSM, GPRS, battery, touchscreen etc. Big tech certainly takes more than it gives back in taxes. Even worse, some are polluting the planet with their unrepairable e-waste.

I am pretty much as anti-big-tech as it can get, but I can't lie to myself: YouTube has improved the world tremendously and provided me with tens of thousands of dollars of value. I cannot even fathom.

Re: Firefox 90

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post #119

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Sounds a bit like you'd like Tab Groups. I used Tab Groups extensively until that functionality was ripped out and put into a shitty, poorly maintained, broken add-on. A quick Ctrl+Shift+E and I could organize everything into work/research/gaming/wikis/whatever and quickly search all tabs or within a specific tab group to switch tabs. The add-on kind of works but isn't as feature complete and from my experience was p…

> until that functionality was ripped out and put into a shitty, poorly maintained, broken add-on. Since you didn't quite say it explicitly: The real insult was that they factored it out into an extension, and then promptly broke the extension by ripping out the API surface it needed .

I didn't say it explicitly because I never bothered digging deeply into why it became so terrible - after being burned enough times by FF during that time period I decided to bite the bullet and switch over to Chrome since at my experience was at least more stable/had less breakage every update. Ironically enough it seems Chrome may be pushing some Extension API changes that will break things and force me to go back to Firefox.

It's gotten to a point where I'd gladly use an old, insecure browser with features I like that enables a workflow I'm comfortable with than being force to use a more secure browser with all the features gutted or gimped. But I can't even do that because then every other site refuses to serve me content unless I update my browser to a supported version.

Re: Firefox 90

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post #161

Does any browser these days support multi-row tabs? I used to use Tab Mix Plus on Firefox but it seems like everyone (Chrome, Firefox, Safari) has adopted WebExtensions which are incapable of this.

Not quite the same, but:

Vivaldi has 2 rows of tabs... the 1st row is "tab group" tabs, the 2nd row are the tabs in that group. Easy to manipulate/group them.

You could also try tabs on the left edge (vs top).

Re: Firefox 90

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I think Firefox news is what I comment most on here. I don't know why. Well I guess I do. Web browsers, javascript etc is front and center here - which somewhat means the digital world. All my friends use Chrome, and think I'm weird. I think _they_ are. They care about human rights, at least I think they do. But, having Google, an ad company, dictate how our window to the digital world looks like, is now _way worse_…

Just remember that Mozilla gets over 90% of its revenue from Google.

This tells you how dire the situation is at this moment. If you would view the open web as an ecosystem, we might be on the verge of a total collapse of it.

Maybe we should create and broadcast documentaries about it, think BBC Earth style, and watch ourselves and the governments ignore the lessons of it.

Re: Firefox 90

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post #159

Compared to Chrome, Firefox lacks two features for me 1. Native Tab search https://youtu.be/HmWqo4X2IB8 2. Ability to remember my CC details The feature that Firefox has that my workflow can't live without is simply `Ctrl-Tab` to move quickly between two tabs.

Saw in the patch notes today for Firefox Android that it now supports storing CC details. I was a bit surprised to not see it mentioned in the desktop version's release notes though.

It is supported on desktop for North American users since 81.

Re: Firefox 90

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> If a class of people on a forum such as this with so many brilliant minds cannot even be bothered with the values of open source and how this pertains to democracy and human values I really don't see how any other part of our species could. Not sure how that is relevant to Firefox vs Chromium debate. Both Firefox and Chromium are open source.

For a project as massive as a browser, being open source is vastly irrelevant. Only major companies are able to truly maintain a browser these days. You can fork Chrome, sure, but you won't get anywhere with it. Chromium is Google.

Chromium has ~5 million lines of code.

The Linux kernel has ~28 million lines of code.

We also very much have a monoculture with the Linux kernel and society hasn't collapsed.

Disagreement lacking argumentation indicates to me that I'm absolutely 100% correct. Thank you for your input!

Re: Firefox 90

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I think Firefox news is what I comment most on here. I don't know why. Well I guess I do. Web browsers, javascript etc is front and center here - which somewhat means the digital world. All my friends use Chrome, and think I'm weird. I think _they_ are. They care about human rights, at least I think they do. But, having Google, an ad company, dictate how our window to the digital world looks like, is now _way worse_…

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Re: Firefox 90

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post #160

I noticed in the comments below how somebody mentioning Firefox's limited market share was heavily downvoted. I'm a Firefox user since forever, and will keep using it. I also want Mozilla to win, and strongly empathize with their engineers whom are trying to make the best of it. That said, I think the reality check should not be avoided. There is no good in do-good software without reach. Based on statcounter, Firefo…

As a side note, I don't understand why nobody uses Firefox on Android. It's an excellent browser, has ublock which is fairly rare on mobile. Why not use it?

I'm wondering as well. Back when I used Android, I did use FF all the time, with uBO saving big time on traffic. Now on the iPhone I use Safari because I think it has power efficiency nailed, but maybe I should use FF for iOS instead?

Re: Firefox 90

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post #187

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Oh it's absolutely dead man walking at this point. Just a question of when they finally decide to admit it, turn off the lights and go home.

That's a crude way to put it, but yes, I can't see how this can go on. With limited resources, trying to keep up with giants speeding away from you, whilst market share keeps shrinking. I'm trying to think of a good exit plan, but I don't see any. Switching to Chromium, which would be a humiliating defeat, solves nothing. Chromium + privacy is Brave. Donating the entire project to the larger open source community won…

Firefox needs to become the default browser for web developers.

They need to go all-in on developer tooling.

The manifest v3 issue may help by poaching technical users from chrome.

They also need to stop being so "principled" about features such as WebMidi. If I have to keep another browser around certain websites that Firefox is too principled to support then why bother using Firefox at all.

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