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“One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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The most harrowing thing I have read in a long time. I can't even begin to fathom the immense bravery of these divers - and that of the boys. I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story, but the fact that he had the audacity to shitpost about any of these guys make me think vastly less of him (and I'm usually in the Musk-respecter camp)

A good recap on the Musk aspect:

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/18/17576302/elon-musk-thai-cave-r...

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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The good news is that the Tesla is far from your only option for an electric car at this point.

Pretty much thanks to Tesla. Electric cars wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today without him - whatever we may think of his personality, the advancements in tech and environmental impacts for generations to come are real.

Perhaps, perhaps not. The market innovation of Tesla--selling electric vehicles based on sportiness and performance rather than eco-friendliness--pre-dates musk's involvement with the company.

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Yeah just in Open Water rescue course you learn that people will panic and reject all their gear, including the regulator that could keep them alive, and will start to rip your gear off and try to take you with them. One of those things that you have to consider, particularly if you don't know the person that you're trying to rescue is at what point you're basically going to wind up fighting back and possibly intenti…

If I remember correctly, in my diver training we were instructed if someone was in need of saving to grab them from the back by the hair and drag them behind you to safety. That way there is minimal chance of the person freaking out and dealing you any damage.

Grab them by the tank valve on their back and hook your knees around their tank and ride them like a bucking bronco. You still need to be ready to get away from them if they don't calm down. And that assumes you're able to get behind them in the first place.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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> Would not a sonar help? Portable sonar systems with in-helmet displays were put in use by the US Navy only last year: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/03/us-navy-teams-w... > A full spacesuit-like helmet with air to be able to talk via radio? Would fuck up your buoyancy, but there are systems where you have only an air pockt around your mouth. But the range would be so low as to be nearly useless inside a…

This may be a somewhat silly question, but why couldn't they just have used flashlights? I'm sure there's an obvious reason, but I don't know what it is.

They do, but in zero viz there's so much crap suspended in the water that you literally can't see anything more than an inch in front of your face. Its the worst driving-into-a-snowstorm problem you can imagine.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Pretty much thanks to Tesla. Electric cars wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today without him - whatever we may think of his personality, the advancements in tech and environmental impacts for generations to come are real.

Perhaps, perhaps not. The market innovation of Tesla--selling electric vehicles based on sportiness and performance rather than eco-friendliness--pre-dates musk's involvement with the company.

The need for a certain portion of the internet to defend Musk at all times is absolutely weird.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Musk's submarine was a joke. The video of it shows it was clearly too large and too rigid to maneuver through the caves. Musk said they would make a video showing the submarine going from point a to b, but never did. Watch these videos of Unsworth both after the rescue and the trial and compare them to Musk's response. It was absolutely sickening. https://youtu.be/uDP6_4jUmiQ https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-50…

I saw and touched the sub; it was featured at a science expo in Bangkok not long after the rescue. It was a metal tube with some plexiglass plates on it with air valves mounted in them. I'm sure there was some engineering involved, but didn't seem at all impressive. My son was a big fan of Elon, the "cool rocket guy". But after his comments about Unsworth he asked me "Why did Elon say that stuff about the man who is…

> But in Thailand defamation is a criminal offense that carries jail time. And since Unsworth is a national hero there's little doubt the court would have found in his favor and Elon would have had an outstanding arrest warrant.

While Thailand is certainly within their rights to run their justice system how they want:

1) The punishment doesn't in any way fit the crime.

2) "He's such a hero" is a terrible reason to do something. Focusing on who the person being wronged was is a bad path to justice - it is better to focus on what the perpetrator did.

So I hope the courts in Thailand would have found in Musk's favour.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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I saw and touched the sub; it was featured at a science expo in Bangkok not long after the rescue. It was a metal tube with some plexiglass plates on it with air valves mounted in them. I'm sure there was some engineering involved, but didn't seem at all impressive. My son was a big fan of Elon, the "cool rocket guy". But after his comments about Unsworth he asked me "Why did Elon say that stuff about the man who is…

So now you can update your son based on another comment we know that Elon was lied to by a private investigator - and seems safe to assume his comments based on that faulty/made up information; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27796249 Elon is a good role model, he's not perfect though. I'm not sure why so many people blindly put him on a pedestal assuming he should be superhuman - especially at the abnormal leve…

That's a good idea. A demonstration of that old phrase "birds of a feather flock together." Musk employs a sleazebag to do Unsworth dirty, gets done dirty himself. Or maybe karma is a better word for it.

I don't know about that putting on a pedestal thing. Musk is a brilliant guy, but has demonstrated that he has a pretty rotten character. IMO, a good role model for a kid really needs to have good quality of character above all else.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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post #206

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I saw and touched the sub; it was featured at a science expo in Bangkok not long after the rescue. It was a metal tube with some plexiglass plates on it with air valves mounted in them. I'm sure there was some engineering involved, but didn't seem at all impressive. My son was a big fan of Elon, the "cool rocket guy". But after his comments about Unsworth he asked me "Why did Elon say that stuff about the man who is…

> But in Thailand defamation is a criminal offense that carries jail time. And since Unsworth is a national hero there's little doubt the court would have found in his favor and Elon would have had an outstanding arrest warrant. While Thailand is certainly within their rights to run their justice system how they want: 1) The punishment doesn't in any way fit the crime. 2) "He's such a hero" is a terrible reason to do…

How do you know the punishment doesn't fit the crime when the case is a thought experiment at most? Or are you saying that because it would be a criminal case it is too much no matter what? It makes no sense to me that it is too much just because it isn't US style justice. Criminal doesn't mean prison time. It's not like the US justice system is much better (clearly not working at all in this case). Compared to those countries justice systems the US should be compared to it's broken, corrupt and unfair (to the extreme for minorities).

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Musk's submarine was a joke. The video of it shows it was clearly too large and too rigid to maneuver through the caves. Musk said they would make a video showing the submarine going from point a to b, but never did. Watch these videos of Unsworth both after the rescue and the trial and compare them to Musk's response. It was absolutely sickening. https://youtu.be/uDP6_4jUmiQ https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-50…

I saw and touched the sub; it was featured at a science expo in Bangkok not long after the rescue. It was a metal tube with some plexiglass plates on it with air valves mounted in them. I'm sure there was some engineering involved, but didn't seem at all impressive. My son was a big fan of Elon, the "cool rocket guy". But after his comments about Unsworth he asked me "Why did Elon say that stuff about the man who is…

"impressive" is not a relevant criterion for prototypes

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

#210
post #45

The most harrowing thing I have read in a long time. I can't even begin to fathom the immense bravery of these divers - and that of the boys. I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story, but the fact that he had the audacity to shitpost about any of these guys make me think vastly less of him (and I'm usually in the Musk-respecter camp)

Consider: why wouldn't a Mars colony be an Elon company town?
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