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Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by recursive »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #135
userbinator wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone who isn't the sort of "rabid trendchaser techie" that MS is trying to convert more of its users to... fortunately, the majority of slightly-computer-literate people I know are not. They use their computers to create documents, email, browse Internet, and complain about the constant churn of the tech industry. They are constantly irritated by UI changes and other updates that had zero or negative impacts on t…

Ok true, but this is hacker news of course. I would expect most people here to be exactly that sort of "rabid trendchaser techie" :) And of course, the question is how hard is MS going to push Windows 11. They pushed the upgrade from W7 to W10 pretty hard towards end users.

I don't mind using an old thing at all. Unless there's a specific reason to use the new thing. I haven't heard one yet.

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Post by swiley »

young_unixer wrote: post #190

To think that all of this Microsoft bullshit could be the propeller for Linux adoption, if only Linux developers had good taste and had developed something worthy of replacing Windows for the average user.

What exactly is wrong with Pop!_OS? I put it on my GF's laptop after she kept complaining about the machine slowing down and she's been very happy with it. The Thai IME even worked out of the box.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by jmkni »

vvillena wrote: post #165
jmkni wrote: post #108

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Maybe I'm getting old, but it's mental to me that a regular SDD over SATA3 is now regarded as slow , and you need an NVME SSD to run things quickly. I have a gaming PC and really can't tell the difference between games loaded between the two.

Because the games don't take advantage of the higher bandwidth. In fact, they probably don't even take advantage of the SSD, because games are still built so that they work when installed on spinning drives. The advantage of SSDs is the random access time, but if you are streaming continuous data, it's only about triple the speed of an HDD. A NVME PCIe 4.0 SSD can be up to 15 times faster than a SATA SSD. The differe…

Get off my lawn ;)

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by recursive »

bruce343434 wrote: post #186
madeofpalk wrote: post #180

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You think Firefox users are going to be more likely to use an EOL-ed OS?

Perhaps, because win7 is known for being "the last good windows" with some privacy. It may or may not be true, but a lot of people are adamant about not using linux while also trying to maintain privacy, hence they use win7. I imagine such users would probably use a browser like firefox.

I remember when win2k was "the last good windows" and then windows xp after it. I $CURRENT-2 is always going to be considered "the last good windows".

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Post by omegalulw »

vvillena wrote: post #165
jmkni wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm getting old, but it's mental to me that a regular SDD over SATA3 is now regarded as slow , and you need an NVME SSD to run things quickly. I have a gaming PC and really can't tell the difference between games loaded between the two.

Because the games don't take advantage of the higher bandwidth. In fact, they probably don't even take advantage of the SSD, because games are still built so that they work when installed on spinning drives. The advantage of SSDs is the random access time, but if you are streaming continuous data, it's only about triple the speed of an HDD. A NVME PCIe 4.0 SSD can be up to 15 times faster than a SATA SSD. The differe…

Your argument doesn't make sense, a triple speedup is still a LOT and should easily be noticeable.

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Post by sjg007 »

eric__cartman wrote: post #60
ehsankia wrote: post #34

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While overall agree, Windows 10 will be supported until 2025. By then any device without TPM 2.0 support would be at least 10 years old, right?

Considering how unexciting new CPUs are nowadays I'd wager that a 10 year old computer in 2025 will still be perfectly usable for basic tasks such as email and web browsing. Something like an 8 year old i7 2700k is still very usable for a lot of home users. It might not be a beast when it comes to crunching numbers, but a big portion of the population would be happy using such a chip if you pair it with at least 8GB…

I’ve got a black MacBook 4G duo that seems pretty good still. It’s dated in the UI and the lcd is garbage but with an external mouse and keyboard it might be ok. I’d like to keep OSX on it but Linux would be fine or windows.

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Post by mostelato »

Todd wrote: post #57

Microsoft is late to the party here. This has been core to Apple's business model for years. Here's an example of OS support for the MacBook Air: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Air#Supported_macOS_re... The arbitrary cadence of abandonment is amazingly consistent and has no basis in hardware capabilities.

Based on that article, every MacBook Air released since 2008 will receive a patch update and every MacBook Air released since 2015 will support OSX Monterey. Is that not reasonable?

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by michaelmrose »

ehsankia wrote: post #34
eric__cartman wrote: post #27

I hope the public backlash against Microsoft is large enough that they revert there ridiculous system requirements. Requiring TPM 1.2 is sort of reasonable I guess. But TPM 2.0. You've got to be kidding me. Also enabling secure boot is a pain in the ass for users that dual boot, because in Linux, to load a custom compiled kernel module you have to sign it first and do a whole lot of mumbling around to get it working.…

While overall agree, Windows 10 will be supported until 2025. By then any device without TPM 2.0 support would be at least 10 years old, right?

They require an 8th generation Intel CPU. Intel was still taking orders from oems for said CPUs until April 2020 and there are computers sold new in box today that won't be supported.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by advael »

I will once again register my hope that this causes at least a significant portion of windows subscribers to consider non-proprietary alternatives. Linux distros are fundamentally more useful computer systems, open source communities have done dizzying amounts of work to produce mostly-working interop with windows-exclusive software, as well as numerous FOSS alternatives to popular products. I'm not going to lie and say there's no switching cost at all (After all, a multi-billion dollar industry works tirelessly to ensure that it's as high as possible), but some linux distro or other has served as a good daily driver for a myriad of non-technical users across the globe, and technical support is readily available on the internet and in most cities. Good for your wallet, good for your freedom, good for the planet.
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