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Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

Critical Race Theory as I have read about it being applied in schools teaches youth that they are inherently racist (note this is only taught to the white children) and that the minorities get to share their anecdotal, lived experience while the white students stand by and are not permitted to say anything.

I find the entire formula to be a groundwork for severe social damage. It certainly does not build bridges. Nor does it pave the way towards compassion and understanding.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure courts consider eyewitness accounts as evidence, and rightly so. In what universe is it not considered evidence? Note there is a difference between evidence and incontrovertible proof. I'm starting to think when you say "propaganda" you mean "anything I don't think is true or am unwilling to investigate further for myself."

Sadly, you didn't read my comment. I said 'have a nice day', and here you are attacking someone. That will never make you feel good. Really, do something positive and constructive. Go help an elderly person across the street. Genuinely, I hope you have a nice day. I've gotta go do something creative and constructive myself.

I read your comment, including the "have a nice day." However, You don't get to dictate my actions, including what I decide is a good use of my time, or how I behave in a public forum.

Also, I'm not attacking you. I'm pointing out things you are uncomfortable with and unwilling to look at critically. That is far from attacking you.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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This article misses the two most important bits of info in understanding propaganda, and how people work. 1. Most effective communication is "propaganda" As outlined in "Thinking Fast and Slow" (and in numerous other places), there are two ways of thinking: the quick instinctive "gut," and the slow, considered, logical mind. People, especially the kind of people that read HN, tend to deify the latter and villainize t…

That's almost the canonical definition of evil in occultism, though: the animalistic part of the human gravitating to matter is the evil, the rational part ascending to abstract spirit is the good. Hence the typical meaning of upsidedown symbols. I'd agree, though, that most people are still heavily attached to their animalistic nature.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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The most annoying common form of propaganda is the association fallacy, which is a more subtle form of the ad hominem fallacy [1]. It works like this: A. You believe X. B. A crazy person also believes/believed X. C. You are a crazy person. D. Optionally: I won't consider your argument unless you tell me why being a crazy person is ok. Why do you support doing crazy people things like being a serial killer? Example: A…

Just a little side note to this. You can tell a big propaganda push is coming when the news reports.

Police are saying that person who is obviously crazy and did also happened to believe in X.

Coming up. A special report where we look at all the crazy people who believe X.

Did believe in X? Find out next as we explore history.

Should the statue of historical person be removed because he believed X?

And so on and so forth.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's perfectly reasonable for society to take children away from parents. The way you state this makes it sound like this should be the /norm/, though, as opposed to only being applied in concrete exigent circumstances such as the ones you name.

While it is not the /norm/, it is quite common: almost 150K children are removed from their parents and put into foster care a year. Exigent circumstances happen quite a lot.

What's that look like per capita? That's still an extraordinarily small minority.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Right, so effectively you are getting more propaganda from one point of view. At least when there is conflicting propaganda, there's some hope.

I don't think the goal with public education should be allowing wildly conflicting propaganda.

I wasn't saying it was.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

So, the American Civil Religion? Dangerous History Podcast with Prof CJ https://profcj.org/ep124/ "Ever get the sense that the government and politics in the United States is kinda cult-y? If so, CJ thinks your spidey sense is justifiably tingling, and what you’re picking up on is the phenomenon known as the civil religion. Join CJ as he discusses: The concept of civil religion The origins of the American civil relig…

I think that Prof just described every human civilization that ever existed?

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

Critical Race Theory as I have read about it being applied in schools teaches youth that they are inherently racist (note this is only taught to the white children) and that the minorities get to share their anecdotal, lived experience while the white students stand by and are not permitted to say anything. I find the entire formula to be a groundwork for severe social damage. It certainly does not build bridges. Nor…

Yeah, that's not what Critical Race Theory is or how it could be applied to schools.

The irony of you bringing this up in the context of propaganda is amusing.

There's a good short interview NPR did today with Gloria Ladson-Billings, who has been working on applying critical race theory for education policy for over a couple of decades: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/22/1009182206/academic-who-broug...

Be careful out there. There's a lot of propaganda out there.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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The most annoying common form of propaganda is the association fallacy, which is a more subtle form of the ad hominem fallacy [1]. It works like this: A. You believe X. B. A crazy person also believes/believed X. C. You are a crazy person. D. Optionally: I won't consider your argument unless you tell me why being a crazy person is ok. Why do you support doing crazy people things like being a serial killer? Example: A…

That's extremely common, and used viciously in pop culture typically to demonize someone not sufficiently radical enough on an issue.

But it's not really propaganda.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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> Selective truth: restrictive use of data or facts to sway opinion that might not be swayed if all the data or facts were given. This is usually interpreted as presenting only half of a story, but the more common and powerful use is in presenting the whole story, while simply ignoring unfavorable stories, and promoting favorable ones. Is a murder front-page news, or a footnote? Depends on the murder.

Selective Truth is the primary form of misinformation today.

Respectable outlets have to generally tell the 'truth'.

But - they can chose the stories they want to highlight, and leave out facts entirely.

A neat example I like to use is the CBC's coverage of the 'trail of tears' story - which is the issue of Missing and Murdered Indigenous women from the 1960's to 2000, about 3000 went missing, somewhat higher than the norm. for Canada.

What they never highlight in coverage, is that 1) about 8500 Aboriginal Men went missing during the same time and 2) that almost universally, the assailants in attacks against against Aboriginal Women are in fact, Aboriginal Men.

When I bring up the facts, which I had to research myself - people seemed to be shocked and dismayed as though 'Men's deaths don't matter' - just because they happen to be a part of a group where others are committing violence, and, that somehow the fact that the violence seems to be entirely focused within the community is 'of no concern'.

In reality, most CBC watchers (Canadians) would be enlightened by the fact 'even more' Aboriginal men are dying that they deserve our sympathy in that regard, and especially that the troubles are focused within the community which is incredibly relevant because it helps inform solutions.

Imagine growing up and spending 25 years being exposed to '1/2 truths' like this?

It's surprisingly more common than not in many media outlets covering anything remotely sensitive to the point where I've developed a 'Spidey Sense' and frankly spend only 1 minute on Google to uncover highly relevant facts that should have likely been included.

I feel that this kind of thing is more important than the nature of propaganda highlighted in the article, because for the most part, classical propaganda is not nearly as common as those presenting a form of 'leaning bias' on sensitive issues.

The Government isn't very good at most propaganda these days, and I think we all know that Corporate advertising is 'propaganda' at least by this definition. We are mostly not aware of how consistent the bias is in the press, and how narratives are created there, which is why maybe it deserves more scrutiny.

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