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Re: North Carolina tells retired engineer he can't talk about engineering

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The Institute for Justice is the same Koch-backed[1] anti-government libertarian law firm that sued Oregon for the cranky Swedish guy who complained about traffic lights[2].

1 https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Institute_for_Justice

2 https://ij.org/press-release/oregon-engineer-wins-traffic-li...

Re: North Carolina tells retired engineer he can't talk about engineering

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Obvious overreach. These engineers are no more practicing engineering without a license than anti-vaxxers are practicing medicine without a license. (OTOH, maybe we're on to something there...)

If I go into a hospital waiting room and start telling people there they shouldn't get vaccinated because it will give them autism, you can bet I've opened myself up to much greater consequences than just getting kicked out of the hospital.

Re: North Carolina tells retired engineer he can't talk about engineering

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I think the key is what you get to say while claiming "I am an X, therefore (implicitly) trust what I say" Whether it's a medical professional, architect, engineer, etc., I don't have a problem with the speech and actions of a person being regulated by a professional organization while they are claiming to be of that profession. i.e. legally protecting the term doctor/nurse/engineer/lawyer/etc. is just fine. If you a…

The difference is that one of those is not like the others. There really is no such thing as an unlicensed (medical) doctor, nurse, or lawyer. While most engineers are not licensed as such--and PEs don't even exist for many branches of engineering. Of course, they can't say they're PEs if they're not but there really isn't a default assumption, aside from perhaps in civil engineering, that an engineer asserting exper…

In Canada it's more like the former -- you aren't allowed to even call yourself an engineer unless you have a P. Eng.

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> Intravenous bleach suggested by someone we trusted What are you even talking about? Edit: To clarify, I don't think 100% fatal medical advice is a good analogy for good-faith testimony relating to a "piping system that allegedly flooded a few local homes." Maybe something more like "Hey I'm not a licensed doctor, but in my experience double-fisting twinkies leads to weight gain."

There was a certain political figure I didn't want to invoke who offhandedly suggested this might be a COVID solution.

I edited my previous to be more on-topic, but oh geez, this is a whole different thing and I'll take the bait.

Are you referring to Donald Trump? (There, invoked.) He's a moron and there's plenty to criticize him on. Which is why it's bizarre to see this particular false[0][1] narrative thrown around so much even to this day. If you watch (TDS trigger warning; transcripts in [0][1]) what he actually said[2] and the immediate followup and clarification[3], we can definitely agree that he's not a great communicator, but I think that whole thing got taken out of context in a very dishonest way.

[0] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/11/joe-biden/... [1] https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/apr/24/context-what-... [2] https://youtu.be/PsQnfpfIa_o?t=26m20s (1 min) [3] https://youtu.be/PsQnfpfIa_o?t=30m35s (30 sec)

Re: North Carolina tells retired engineer he can't talk about engineering

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Thomas Jefferson’s opinion on this issue doesn’t mean “The US was founded on this principle”. If the US were founded on this principle… it would have been part of the constitution.

There's a long standing philosophy that pretty much any and all ideas in the founder's heads are viable as founding principles. Otherwise what good is mining their journals and letters and their acquaintances journals and letters in a continuous attempt to understand what they thought was critical for a society to function. This largely ignores the rest of society and what they were thinking. From the first perspecti…

It also ignores the significant disagreements the founders had amongst themselves.

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The difference is that one of those is not like the others. There really is no such thing as an unlicensed (medical) doctor, nurse, or lawyer. While most engineers are not licensed as such--and PEs don't even exist for many branches of engineering. Of course, they can't say they're PEs if they're not but there really isn't a default assumption, aside from perhaps in civil engineering, that an engineer asserting exper…

In Canada it's more like the former -- you aren't allowed to even call yourself an engineer unless you have a P. Eng.

Fair enough. I was talking US where PEs are fairly rare outside of civil engineering and other subsets of engineering that deal with regulatory bodies a lot.

Generally in the US engineer is used pretty loosely. Some states are stricter. But even those who are, like apparently Texas, my first-hand experience is that most people don't pay much attention.

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Acupuncture is snake oil, but I would very much prefer knowing that my acupuncturist has been checked out by someone qualified to check their skills. Just because it's snake oil doesn't mean that there are not expectations around its safety and application.

Then go to one that has some kind of recommendation or badge of acupuncture quality. Why should the government do that?

Because then you need an acupuncture badge quality quality badge, and so on.

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Then go to one that has some kind of recommendation or badge of acupuncture quality. Why should the government do that?

Because then you need an acupuncture badge quality quality badge, and so on.

That implies that we currently need QA organizations who rate government licensure schemes on their accuracy and informativeness. How often have you checked for those?

You've completely failed to distinguish a legal licensure scheme from an independent endorsement scheme.

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> the problem has been accelerated by the sheer number of college/grad degrees given out like candy the last 20 years At least in medicine this isn't the case; the AMA effectively limits the number of positions available. The ratio of doctors to patients has hence been steadily decreasing over the past few decades.

This hasn’t been true for decades… it’s one of those “Internet Talking Points” that gets repeated ad nauseam but just isn’t true.. The AMA lobbies intensely for more residency spots and more medical schools and has since at least the debate over the ACA.

Why aren't there any more medical schools then? I believe professional schools (law, MBA etc) are historically very profitable for universities so they are (or were) incentivized to open even mediocre ones.

Re: North Carolina tells retired engineer he can't talk about engineering

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Texas may do a lot of crazy things when it comes to state government, but one thing I think we definitely got right is the Texas Sunset Commission ( https://www.sunset.texas.gov/ ). Basically, all boards set up by the state government are automatically abolished every 10 years I believe unless the state legislature passes a law to continue the board. So every 10 years the Sunset Commission evaluates agencies/boards a…

What benefits is Texas seeing from the Sunset Commission? https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/ shows a lot of what appear to be wholly spurious licensing types: - barbering - cosmetology - dietitians - dyslexia therapy - behavior analysts - polygraph examiners (!) - auctioneers - etc. etc.

The commission requires the legislature to act. It doesn't prevent the legislature from acting irresponsibly. But at least that irresponsible act will have some names on it that voters might recognize.
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