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Netherlands must ban cryptocurrencies immediately: CPB head

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Re: Netherlands must ban cryptocurrencies immediately: CPB head

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Because they’ve done a great job “protecting” the supply of the USD… Bitcoin’s anti-counterfeiting is a hell of a lot better than the USD’s anti-counterfeiting.

I am very glad that the US passed big spending bills for COVID, if that's what you are concerned about. Fiat currency has the feature of being able to borrow against the future.

Just a minute ago you were taking about how great it was that USD’s supply was “protected”. Fickle.

Re: Netherlands must ban cryptocurrencies immediately: CPB head

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post #201

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I am very glad that the US passed big spending bills for COVID, if that's what you are concerned about. Fiat currency has the feature of being able to borrow against the future.

Just a minute ago you were taking about how great it was that USD’s supply was “protected”. Fickle.

While I didn't say it was great that the USD's supply is protected from being counterfeit, I do believe it is great that USD isn't overrun by couterfeits.

I also believe it's a sovereign country's right to print it's own money as it sees fit. As a citizen I am glad we are willing to spend when people are hurting.

Re: Netherlands must ban cryptocurrencies immediately: CPB head

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post #93
post #57

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> Fiat is backed by weapons. This is one of the most hilarious misunderstandings of how monetization works. Is someone from the army going to come shoot me if I charge too many USD for a hamburger?

> Fiat is backed by weapons. I interpret this to mean: The major fiat currencies are ultimately backed by their respective government's willingness to use war to preserve their economic interests. The other fiat currencies are based on the level of mutual interest in economic partnerships or trade relations between the majors and the non-majors. ... This is intuitively sensible to me, but I am not an economist.

Also more prosaically force is used to prevent anyone from counterfeiting Fiat currency. In the US that was why the secret service was created.

Obviously if anyone could print USD it'd be near worthless.

Re: Netherlands must ban cryptocurrencies immediately: CPB head

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post #187

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I see you have moved the goalposts and have not bothered to actually provide any citations for the numbers from your original posted. Your own link indicates that Netherlands taxes are only slightly above average for OECD countries given their GDP. This would indicate that your original claims were false. The reason why health care costs are lower is a different topic. Your original claim about relative healthcare co…

And you are sticking to tables of income and tax rates and claiming that income tax is 51% not 80 or 85%. At the same you decide to ignore my claim was the overall earning you do over you life will be taken away by the state. Surely you can understand the concept of overall tax burden. Although I am simplifying here and not making payroll salary calculation you certainly understand the example like this one. You earn…

You can do all the back of the napkin math you want, that still isn't a citation. I have seen too much bad back of the napkin math where small under/overestimations add up to numbers that don't actually match reality.

> And you are sticking to tables of income and tax rates and claiming that income tax is 51% not 80 or 85%. At the same you decide to ignore my claim was the overall earning you do over you life will be taken away by the state. Surely you can understand the concept of overall tax burden.

I was looking at the numbers from the other page that you posted that showed that the TOTAL tax burden at ALL levels of government vs GPD was ~36% which was slightly higher than the OECD average which was 34%. That places it in the middle of the pack for Europe.

Re: Netherlands must ban cryptocurrencies immediately: CPB head

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post #193
post #187

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I see you have moved the goalposts and have not bothered to actually provide any citations for the numbers from your original posted. Your own link indicates that Netherlands taxes are only slightly above average for OECD countries given their GDP. This would indicate that your original claims were false. The reason why health care costs are lower is a different topic. Your original claim about relative healthcare co…

And you are sticking to tables of income and tax rates and claiming that income tax is 51% not 80 or 85%. At the same you decide to ignore my claim was the overall earning you do over you life will be taken away by the state. Surely you can understand the concept of overall tax burden. Although I am simplifying here and not making payroll salary calculation you certainly understand the example like this one. You earn…

You're listing car and dog like it's some kind of requirement. I couldn't be less happy to live in a society that has less dogs and less cars.

Re: Netherlands must ban cryptocurrencies immediately: CPB head

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post #84

> "Cryptocurrencies are essentially neither money nor a financial product, but an example of what Nobel laureate Robert Shiller calls a 'contagious narrative': a contagious story in which people believe because other people believe in it." Which is exactly what money is, to begin with.

That tax bill I get every year payable only in dollars isn't imaginary.

You only believe you need to pay it because others believe you need to pay it.

Re: Netherlands must ban cryptocurrencies immediately: CPB head

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post #193

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And you are sticking to tables of income and tax rates and claiming that income tax is 51% not 80 or 85%. At the same you decide to ignore my claim was the overall earning you do over you life will be taken away by the state. Surely you can understand the concept of overall tax burden. Although I am simplifying here and not making payroll salary calculation you certainly understand the example like this one. You earn…

You're listing car and dog like it's some kind of requirement. I couldn't be less happy to live in a society that has less dogs and less cars.

And your comment shows exactly the attitude this tax policy is supposed to inspire. Why do anything or have anything, you do not need it.

I believe it was in the republic of Plato. There is some comment about how in ancient Greece, Slaves used to complain a lot about how severe their Master was, or praise the Master by how friendly it was to them. However they never complained about slavery itself...

Re: Netherlands must ban cryptocurrencies immediately: CPB head

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post #67

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How would you enforce the ban in practical terms?

You just make it illegal to exchange fiat for crypto. Done.

All right but it is illegal to exchange fiat for cocaine still it seems to be happening quite a lot.

Re: Netherlands must ban cryptocurrencies immediately: CPB head

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> Fiat is backed by weapons. The same weapons that defend your house from other countries and force you to give up half your salary This is a very American view of fiat (and governmental role in general). It's a logic that only works if you're talking about the strongest military and associated country out of all alternatives, and at this point it falls apart. How do weapons protect the value of the Angolan kwanza or…

Do Angola and Singapore not have police that enforce that their residents pay their tax bills?

Irrelevant. These currencies are traded on forex exchanges outside their native countries, which means outside the jurisdiction of said police.

Re: Netherlands must ban cryptocurrencies immediately: CPB head

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Real life currency also has the backing of the economy they represent. That's why USD is "strong" and Zimbabwean dollars were "weak." Crypto has nothing. It's just environmental destruction and/or pump and dump schemes.

When people decide to use crypto instead of USD, your economy is not backed by USD anymore.

The dollar is still backed by the economy though. It's fundamentally the government's ability to pay down debt from taxes.
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