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Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by sellyme »

daenz wrote: post #195
sellyme wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cases were going down significantly in the USA before the mass rollout of the vaccine. This is a very vague statement, so let's put some numbers onto it: Total US vaccination rates exceeded 1% on January 2nd 2021. The US 7-day rolling average case count peaked on January 11th 2021. At that point, 2.7% of the population was vaccinated, and 632,000 people were being vaccinated every day (again, 7-day rolling average)…

“I don’t think the vaccine is having much of an impact at all on case rates," Tom Frieden said in an interview Sunday on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS.” “It’s what we’re doing right: staying apart, wearing masks, not traveling, not mixing with others indoors.” That's the former director of the CDC. Do you disagree with his assessment?

The "Sunday" in that quote is referring to February 14, 2021, when the daily case count was more than six times what it is today, and was still ~1.4x the peak of the previous wave.

The comment you initially replied to said "these days", which in the context of a rapidly changing pandemic I don't really consider to include "4 months ago".

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by daenz »

sellyme wrote: post #201
daenz wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I don’t think the vaccine is having much of an impact at all on case rates," Tom Frieden said in an interview Sunday on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS.” “It’s what we’re doing right: staying apart, wearing masks, not traveling, not mixing with others indoors.” That's the former director of the CDC. Do you disagree with his assessment?

The "Sunday" in that quote is referring to February 14, 2021, when the daily case count was more than six times what it is today, and was still ~1.4x the peak of the previous wave. The comment you initially replied to said "these days", which in the context of a rapidly changing pandemic I don't really consider to include "4 months ago".

What explains the 80% drop from early January to the end of February, a drop that experts are not attributing to the vaccine?

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by tandr »

ivraatiems wrote: post #20

I still don't like how rude Linus is. I'll never like how rude Linus is. But his explanation of mRNA is nicely done. Hope somebody reading it learns something and realizes they've been lied to. Maybe even gets vaccinated. That'd be worth a mean email or two.

> how rude Linus is.

In general, or you can point exact wording in his letter which you consider "rude", sorry?

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by foolinaround »

ViViDboarder wrote: post #153
betwixthewires wrote: post #71

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Selfish how? You can still carry and transmit the virus with the vaccine. You would've all still caught it whether she was vaccinated or not. Of course, if you're all vaccinated it doesn't matter either way.

If you’re vaccinated you’re less likely to even catch and, therefore, carry and transmit the virus though.

> If you’re vaccinated you’re less likely to even catch

I don't think so. Can you point me to some studies for the above.

I believe you will catch it, and if vaccinated, you will have a milder reaction to the disease

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by foolinaround »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #52
nvoid wrote: post #17

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Yes but no because it is the law. It should be law that car companies provide a seat-belt but not that I wear one. Your one sentence straw-man wont suffice here. Again, it's all about personal risk. I could go climb a cliff face with a rope or I could do it without. I don't need GOVT to tell me not to do the latter.

Did you know that seatbelts save lives besides those of the people wearing them? That in even minor collisions being untethered to a seat can injure others? The justification for mandatory seatbelt laws is the same as the justification for covid mitigations: you’re protecting more than yourself.

If the driver is not wearing a seatbelt but the passenger is and the car gets into an accident, would the passenger be worse off than if the driver was wearing the seatbelt?

If not, this analogy does not stand.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by sellyme »

daenz wrote: post #202
sellyme wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Sunday" in that quote is referring to February 14, 2021, when the daily case count was more than six times what it is today, and was still ~1.4x the peak of the previous wave. The comment you initially replied to said "these days", which in the context of a rapidly changing pandemic I don't really consider to include "4 months ago".

What explains the 80% drop from early January to the end of February, a drop that experts are not attributing to the vaccine?

The expert you quoted addressed a ~64% drop to mid-February, not an 80% drop. If you have a different source espousing a similar sentiment from the end of February, feel free to share that.

The explanation for that is probably largely similar to the explanation for the 49% drop between 20 July 2020 and 12 September 2020.

As a reminder, the claim you responded to was addressing the 94% drop from early January to now.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by [deleted] »

sellyme wrote: post #207
daenz wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What explains the 80% drop from early January to the end of February, a drop that experts are not attributing to the vaccine?

The expert you quoted addressed a ~64% drop to mid-February, not an 80% drop. If you have a different source espousing a similar sentiment from the end of February, feel free to share that. The explanation for that is probably largely similar to the explanation for the 49% drop between 20 July 2020 and 12 September 2020. As a reminder, the claim you responded to was addressing the 94% drop from early January to now.

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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by rektide »

beprogrammed wrote: post #155
chrisseaton wrote: post #61

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> I've never seen a Linus rant be a personal attack. He called for someone to be 'retroactively aborted'. > they mistakenly believe that everyone has the right to be treated nicely Everyone should have the right to be treated reasonably nicely, even if they misbehave, unless there's some kind of threat to life or some other extreme that obviously never comes up in the context of software development.

> He called for someone to be 'retroactively aborted'. Oof, if I was that person I'd be taking a good hard look at myself, he's rarely wrong.

This Linus comment in particular makes me very very ashamed of writing "In every circumstance.".

This is the comment in question[1]. Linus obviously could have gone & seen who the original author was. And this is not a defense. But the person he was talking shit about was no longer around. He was talking about some old code, that some other maintainer was having to deal with, in some shitty crap ass situation that everyone was stranded in, ships smashing against the shore, &c.

While again I'd emphasize the "not a role model" aspect, I again can empathize with how batshit upside down the rest of the world seemed at this point. But overwhelmingly yeah, this is a not good look, this is really discouraging to hear. Which is sad, because, you know, typically when Linus is hammering it out, giving a big corporation the middle finger or what not, it's like: thank god, a decent human being (who is not easily ignorable like the rest of us) is finally saying it true.

But it's still an incredibly uncool way to phrase it all. Worst possible form of sound byte to be able to relay & parrot around.

[1] https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/7/6/495

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by daenz »

sellyme wrote: post #207
daenz wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What explains the 80% drop from early January to the end of February, a drop that experts are not attributing to the vaccine?

The expert you quoted addressed a ~64% drop to mid-February, not an 80% drop. If you have a different source espousing a similar sentiment from the end of February, feel free to share that. The explanation for that is probably largely similar to the explanation for the 49% drop between 20 July 2020 and 12 September 2020. As a reminder, the claim you responded to was addressing the 94% drop from early January to now.

So is 64% drop in the middle of February is not the result of vaccine but then the ending result of an 80% drop by the end of February is? That makes no sense sorry.

It's clear you want to rewrite the timeline to show that the vaccine caused the massive drop down to where it is now. So I don't see a point today in this further with you.

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