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California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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I actually have no idea, can you elucidate?

I can't. It seems totally irrational to me. Makes no sense at all.

It makes plenty sense. It was meant for the Senate to tame the more erratic decisions of the House of Representatives. However, since the GOP has become what is essentially a fascist party with a Mango Messiah, no amount of balance is currently possible.

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what part of indulging degeneracy reflects modernity to you?

Psychedelics are part of traditions practiced and led by respected elders of communities. There's nothing degenerate about that

So is consanguinity. Tradition != good in all cases.

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I mean mass incarceration for "long haul" (lets says 30+ years) prison terms absolutely could be argued to "improve" society by removing people who have broken the social contract. The classic problem with prison is short and frequent sentences that fuck someones life up just enough to prevent them from being a "good" member of society but not long enough to really keep them away from the general population.

Who exactly considers that the "classic problem" of prison? Your reasoning strikes me as perverse. This "social contract" is the rule of a few elites with racially charged political agendas over the many, look into the history of drug laws. It's not a just contract if you are manipulated with false propaganda and coerced by force into signing.

> "social contract" is the rule of a few elites with racially charged political agendas over the many, look into the history of drug laws

There are a lot of violent crimes with shockingly short terms. Including for repeat offenders. This isn't a problem for elites, who can afford to stay away from these problems. It's a problem for common, law-abiding, unexemplary Americans.

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As someone whose life was very much thrown into turmoil and difficulty for getting caught with a relatively small amount of mushrooms in Texas, to the point that it will soon be a decade and I have not really completely recovered financially or emotionally, and also still blocked from a lot of jobs, news like this is so good but hard to hear on a personal level.

I hope one day we will have a Nuremberg-style trial for all those friendly chaps who orchestrated (and profited from) this pointless life-destruction machine called war on drugs

Nixon, Reagan including Nancy Bush Sr. the original instigators of the federal on drugs are all dead.

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https://dualdiagnosis.org/drug-addiction/psychosis/

I think I'm missing something. That article is about stimulants (not hallucinogens), and it concludes that long term use of them can cause anyone to experience psychosis. That's the opposite of showing people with schizophrenia will break down!? Also, is it a foreign article? The language is weird and hard to follow in places, like it was written by an algo or translated automatically but chrome claims it isn't doing…

There are lots of rehab and recovery links like the previous one and this one, but it is quite hard to find specific details of what triggers sever psychosis/breakdown in the context of psych drug use.

I do know an RN who nursed someone who had taken LSD in the late 60's and never recovered mentally, which had quite an impact on my perception of this class of drugs

https://blackbearrehab.com/mental-health/schizophrenia/schiz...

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#206

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Kamala Harris sent Californians away for long haul prison sentences on drug-related infractions. Anyone here who thinks mass incarceration improves society should explain their reasoning, because I really don’t understand. Also the parent commenter on “tax base” is misguided. We’re not talking about legalizing and taxing drugs, just not locking people up for victimless crimes.

I mean mass incarceration for "long haul" (lets says 30+ years) prison terms absolutely could be argued to "improve" society by removing people who have broken the social contract. The classic problem with prison is short and frequent sentences that fuck someones life up just enough to prevent them from being a "good" member of society but not long enough to really keep them away from the general population.

What’s this here about a social contract, hmm? I never signed any contract.

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Ketamine is schedule III in the US. That makes it less restricted than meds like adderall and most prescription opiates. Decriminalizing it wouldn't really matter for research studies.

It would really matter a lot for someone who got caught with a small amount of it, tho

Yes and that's a good thing, but I was responding to the claim that, "...decriminalization would allow for official medical studies."

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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> (6) Existing law states the intent of the Legislature that the messages and information provided by various state drug and alcohol programs promote no unlawful use of any drugs or alcohol.

> This bill would repeal those provisions.

Does this mean that the bill lets California start promoting unlawful use of drugs and alcohol? What is the purpose of this change?

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Will it though? The feds could still come after you if you're publishing research that admits possession, etc.

They aren't doing that with the researchers here in California openly attempting to find marketable ways to exploit legal marijuana.

It can change with administration changes because that allowance is made under executive order (which is probably an abuse, but that's another story). There is one federally approved lab down in Louisiana that has been doing this research for decades.

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You're trying to reframe the problem around the people who call it out. That's a good way to distract from said problem but not a way to address it. That kind of drug usage is a manifestation of degeneracy, itself part of a bigger cultural trend. Fixing the symptoms (or rather, absorbing them into legality so they seem less noteworthy) won't get rid of the root cause. edit: to respond to greyface- below since I am no…

You've rebutted an unrelated discussion about your motives without backing up your claims. What exactly makes taking psychedelics a degenerate act? What leads you to believe it is a result of degeneracy?

>What exactly makes taking psychedelics a degenerate act? What leads you to believe it is a result of degeneracy?

I'm sorry mate but it was your parents' job to explain that one to you, not mine. And it's not a belief, it's a conviction based on proper upbringing and personal experience with greek life.

But if you need a hint, just look at all the responses to my posts. It's like I've kicked a hornets' nest of self-deluded hedonists who don't want their guilty pleasure taken away from them. All desperately trying to rationalize their vices with pedantry and other exculpatory re-framing of drug use.

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