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Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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I do not see how you could read it as such. Because the reason / explanation is already given, as all the options that were mentioned (1-4) can be easily matched by any website, I think it is rather self evident. 1) You can add websites as app icons to iOS and Android. 2) Websites can hold persistent identities, and devices can otherwise remember the login details. 3) Websites UI can be anything and have nearly all o…

1) As I said, it's too involved. Only a fraction of your users would know how to do it, you will need to teach them. 2) Websites do that through Cookies and Local Storage. These have limits and users would be purging them en mass. The data of the app doesn't disappear for no reason. 3) As I said, the problem is that it runs within a browser if not added to the homescreen. It is a window within a window. 4) Profession…

As an android user, I personally hate having to use apps. Websites are much easier to use and I can zoom (and override if they try to block it). I can use extensions on firefox (yes it's possible) and modify the behavior when needed.

I also cannot bookmark pages from apps. I can, however, add websites to the home-screen. I don't see any reason to download fat binaries for a worse experience.

Are you an app developer? You seem to be very biased.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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> The reason is to hurt you I'm not sure how this reasoning works. Some company making money using your information isn't with intent to hurt an individual, generally speaking. It's rare that such an opportunity even exists.

The hyperbole against adtech on hackernews is insane. I swear most people here think its the biggest problem that the world faces.

It's the biggest problem the online world faces? It's structurally unsound and it's making itself into the foundations of the future world in general.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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post #165

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It is not necessarily a dumpster fire if one uses something else besides a popular graphical web browser to make the HTTP request and view the text. The "modern" web browser is complicit in creating the dumpster fire. Web developers can provide the inflammable materials, but a "modern" browser that by default auto-loads resources and runs Javascript is required to ignite it. There is no fire unless the right (=wrong)…

My primary use case for IMDB is to figure out names of actors, for which I need to see the photos. There’s a lot to dislike about the modern web, but images are fairly useful.

1.sh takes an IMDb URL on stdin, saves the page temporarily and outputs a "lite" version, a more minimal page containing only actor photos. Of course, if desired, other film details could also be extracted and added to the output. 1.sh takes a single argument: photo size. Options are 140, 210 and 280. Requirements: curl (or quivalent), grep, sed, cut, sort, nl.

Example:

    # Don't forget the trailing fwd slash else 302 redirect
    echo https://m.imdb.com/title/tt9484998/ | 1.sh 280 > 1.html
    firefox ./1.html

    case $# in 1);;*)echo "usage: echo URL | $0 size";exec echo size options are 140 210 280;esac;
    read x;case $x in https://m.imdb.com/title/*/);;*)exec echo error: URL \(should end with fwd slash\);esac;
    x1=$(echo "$x"|cut -d/ -f5); 
    curl -H"User-Agent" -0 -4o "${x1}" "$x";
    (grep -o ".*" "${x1}"|sed 's/  */ /g';
    echo "Image size: $1";
    (exec grep -o "title-cast-item__actor\"[^.*href=>;s/?ref.*\"/\"/;s[.*[

&['|nl -s, exec grep -o "title-cast-item__actor[^//;s/.*/]\*/'|grep -of /dev/stdin "${x1}" \ |case $1 in ---////////////////////////---IMDb-CAST-PHOTOS-ONLY---\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\---) ;;140)cut -d\" -f1-2,7-8,15|sed 's[.*[

&/>

[' ;;210)cut -d ' ' -f1-3,9|sed 's/https:/src=\"&/;s[.*[

&\"/>

[' ;;280)cut -d/ -f1-2,18-21|cut -d\" -f1-3,8|sed 's/class=\"/src=\"/;s/\.jpg/&\"/;s/ 280w//;s[.*[

&/>

[' esac|nl -s,; exec grep -o "title-cast-item__char\"[^\"&\"/'|nl -s,; ))|sort -n|cut -d, -f2- rm "${x1}" 2>/dev/null;

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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post #143

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1) As I said, it's too involved. Only a fraction of your users would know how to do it, you will need to teach them. 2) Websites do that through Cookies and Local Storage. These have limits and users would be purging them en mass. The data of the app doesn't disappear for no reason. 3) As I said, the problem is that it runs within a browser if not added to the homescreen. It is a window within a window. 4) Profession…

As an android user, I personally hate having to use apps. Websites are much easier to use and I can zoom (and override if they try to block it). I can use extensions on firefox (yes it's possible) and modify the behavior when needed. I also cannot bookmark pages from apps. I can, however, add websites to the home-screen. I don't see any reason to download fat binaries for a worse experience. Are you an app developer?…

I do Web and Apps. I also hate apps on Android, it feels like invasion.

BTW, I’m not talking about websites(articles and forms) but Web apps(task achieving experiences). Of course it’s just as bad experience to have a website as an app. it’s even worse when you are being forced to.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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To hurt you. The reason is to hurt you and it's unfortunate that we're in denial about it.

> The reason is to hurt you I'm not sure how this reasoning works. Some company making money using your information isn't with intent to hurt an individual, generally speaking. It's rare that such an opportunity even exists.

In some way they actually DO have the goal to hurt you though, specifically because it is aligned with their way of making money. When it comes to the attempt to shackle you onto their platform, increase "engagement" (outrage and negative emotion), put dark patterns into place to make leaving as hurtful as possible, and also invading the privacy of people not even directly using their platform. [1]

Facebook hurting you might be because they want the money, but they specifically choose to make money by hurting you, and society. [2][3]

So in the end I don't think it is wrong to phrase it that way. Someone beating you up in exchange for money still has the goal of beating you up.

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/30/health/facebook-psycholog...

[2]: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03007995.2021.1...

[3]: https://www.aeaweb.org/research/social-media-news%20consumpt...

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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> Whenever I read articles like this, I get more and more horrified. > Makes me very wary even of dumbphones If you care about it, consider GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone, which run FLOSS and have hardware kill switches for microphone and other things.

Waiting for MMS support, my friend.

https://forums.puri.sm/t/state-of-mms-on-librem-5/11809/114

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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> Whenever I read articles like this, I get more and more horrified. > Makes me very wary even of dumbphones If you care about it, consider GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone, which run FLOSS and have hardware kill switches for microphone and other things.

>If you care about it, consider GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone, which run FLOSS and have hardware kill switches for microphone and other things. Last time I checked in with the Librem project, the phone was completely unusable as a phone because the power management and in particular the sleep mode wasn't working properly. Sometimes the phone would wake up from sleep, and since the power management was bugg…

Currently, Librem 5 lasts about 10 hours on battery (sleep isn't there yet), and Pinephone can last 24 hours.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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> The reason is to hurt you I'm not sure how this reasoning works. Some company making money using your information isn't with intent to hurt an individual, generally speaking. It's rare that such an opportunity even exists.

The hyperbole against adtech on hackernews is insane. I swear most people here think its the biggest problem that the world faces.

Maybe we are among the few people who understands the issue??

I mean, grandma isn't going to figure this out on her own. She is happy to have a way to get in touch with her grandchildren and has no idea she is being exploited.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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> Whenever I read articles like this, I get more and more horrified. > Makes me very wary even of dumbphones If you care about it, consider GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone, which run FLOSS and have hardware kill switches for microphone and other things.

Last time I checked, these phones are not allowed in my country. In my country all phones must have permission from the government to operate, and the phone manufacturer that need to ask this permission in first place, any phone detected by cell towers that aren't one of them, can be legally banned from the network (not just YOUR phone, but all identical model phones!)

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Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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I get pop ups from sites all the time asking me to try their site, every darn time I visit. Mai it stuff like Reddit, Imgur, most news sites. I’ve tried the apps and they’re worse. I’m not sure there’s any explanation other than more ad/data revenue. Are there apps that give superior experience than web sites nowadays? Even not accounting for privacy, the apps are generally just shittier with less functionality. I us…

Everyone should have a computer powerful enough to run vms for compartmentalisation. If you can simulate 5 different phones it won`t matter if someone gets their spyware onto one of them.

Sometimes we can solve problems with technology and as a HN reader that is maybe more interesting.

But it is always better to address the root cause of the problem. This often means a policy or legal issue rather than a technical, but has the advantage of not becoming a whack-a-mole technical race.

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