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Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Bias

Towards truth, or?

Bias "against X" (here: Apple).

Whether the fact is true or false makes no difference. The person with the bias will cherish both true and false statements if they are against X, and reject them if they are in favor of X.

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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The whole article is viewing things through some heavily tinted glasses. 1. Apple was early - Nope, Apple came late to the party, years after first movers were there. 2. Voice computing distraction - Again, nope. Amazon Echo devices and Google Home devices are HUGE. Headphones and earbugs come with Alexa and google Assistant integration. Apple tries with Siri but it's consistently far behind Amazon and Google there.…

It's unfortunate that the Apple cult has enough power on YC to downvoted anything that's not positive towards it. Sad that only pro-Apple opinions are allowed here.

It’s more likely that the usual anti-Apple arguments that are used in these conversations just really aren’t very good.

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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You should look at Garmin. They have models with battery life measured in weeks, not hours like the Apple watch. My 3+ year old 645 still gets 6 days of battery life.

I bought an Instinct about a month ago and love it. I like the G-Shock aesthetic which I know isn't for everyone but it's everything I want in a watch. The battery life is amazing as you said. I charge it once a week and even regularly using GPS for fitness tracking it's usually at around 40% (it can be extended further by using a GPS mode that polls less frequently). The interface is responsive and straightforward (…

I'm another Instinct fan, absolutely love this watch. Its just the right balance of smart watch features while not compromising on being an actual watch. I think the only real weakness is the Garmin software itself but its still decent.

Sadly most smart watches seem to be heading the direction of just being a tiny phones with apps and crap that I'll never need and the segment of people who are just looking for a few concise features in something durable and stable will eventually have no options

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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I'm pretty skeptical that Apple has a decade-long lead on any of the other big players in the market. Any innovations that one company can make can be more quickly adopted than new innovations occur and there's nothing as far as software goes that Apple is uniquely positioned to create. The other factors mentioned such as silicon tech being years ahead of the competition is one that is hardly a factor for the smart w…

The hard part about copying Apple in wearables isn’t the software. It’s the hardware. Yes another company theoretically could make hardware that has the same performance/power efficiency as the S1 series in the Apple Watch. But, no other company is going to spend the money since they don’t think they will recoup it.

Just as most people who are willing to spend money on high end phones buy iPhones, the same is true for other wearables. Apple knows that it can recoup the up front costs of any research and development.

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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I'm pretty skeptical that Apple has a decade-long lead on any of the other big players in the market. Any innovations that one company can make can be more quickly adopted than new innovations occur and there's nothing as far as software goes that Apple is uniquely positioned to create. The other factors mentioned such as silicon tech being years ahead of the competition is one that is hardly a factor for the smart w…

I'm have to sort of disagree, not a decade but easily half a decade lead. Source: I worked in this space years ago with what was, at the time, the leader in the space, and remember how many of my coworkers laughed at the Apple Watch unveil. Now Apple is the one laughing with a girthy, multibillion dollar schadenfreude. Apple has leads in silicon and cross-platform integration which is inarguably led to a better user…

> I don't own any Apple products, and I don't endorse their labor practices,

So which labor practices does Apple engage in that every other phone manufacturer doesn’t - using the same factories and supply chain?

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> Apple's weakness is now their precarious position in bed with China, which will take decades to undo. But this holds for the entire world economy.

Kind of, but among the largest tech companies, Apple uniquely runs most of its revenue through the hardware category, and gets a lot of revenue from China. Google (Alphabet), Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook all use hardware from China, but most of their revenue comes through software interactions. Google does not officially even operate in China. Amazon has a limited corporate footprint in China. I think it’s reasonable…

What happens to their services if they can’t procure hardware?

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I’m glad you highlighted the materials/manufacturing component, which I think is frequently overlooked by tech people (who mostly focus on the chips and software). Apple’s ability to build millions of devices with such precision and tight tolerances is really a huge accomplishment.

Just to clarify, Apple doesn't actually build any devices. They are built by Foxconn, mainly. It's still very impressing, of course.

And Apple spends billions a year to design and create the manufacturing equipment that Foxconn uses.

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I don't really agree. I've owned a Fossil Carlyle 5 smartwatch with WearOS and an Apple Watch 3, and Apple's lead is definitely on the software side of things. I actually really dislike the material build of the Apple watch. The screen is designed to expose as much of the surface area as possible to scuffs and scratches, while the body of the watch feels larger than any other smartwatch I've used. The Apple Watch got…

> I don't really agree. I've owned a Fossil Carlyle 5 smartwatch with WearOS and an Apple Watch 3, and Apple's lead is definitely on the software side of things. I don't disagree that the lead is in software. I'm saying it's also in Hardware too. You're making comparisons to the Apple Watch 3--that came out more than three and a half years ago. It's not helping your point that you feel the hardware for your android w…

Note that iMessage only became a thing in the US ‘pay to receive SMS’ market. It’s mostly irrelevant in the rest of the world. Yet they have that same lead outside the US.

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The only real complaint I have is 8GB is not enough storage to update watch os. But there is praise in the complaint: you can update it at all.

On that note, it feels so un-apple like that their official way of resolving the storage issue with updates is to unpair the watch and pair it again.

They have had instances like that with iPhone where the upgrade to iOS was a backup and restore cycle. It’s a long time ago though.

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I've got a Samsung watch and the the heart rate monitor has serious reliability issues. Apples is not only suppose the be better but you got blood pressure and o2 monitoring. I'm definitely going to switch over in the future

I have been using the samsung line of watches since before apple watch was ever a thing, despite some heart rate variance the leadership in payments samsung commanded was and still is unparalleled. people with apple pay carry a backup card, a samsung watch allows paying with magstripe emulation in case of legacy terminals. pre 2020 pandemic this was indespensible and there are still often inoperable nfc terminals and…

In other news, Apple devices are not compatible with obsolete standards. Magstripe is insecure and obsolete and in no way a backup for nfc payments. Skimming is a thing.
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