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Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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gjsman-1000 wrote: post #179
headmelted wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Philosophically I agree with you, but I also have kids, and I’ve seen the wild west that is the Play Store. Admittedly, the same problems exist on the App Store, but not to the same why-even-try level of anything goes. The amount of kids apps, that are marketed as kids apps, certified as age appropriate, then contain ads for zombie gorefest horror was enough to make me give up trying with Android entirely. I have eve…

I’m surprised you think that Apple is going to lose the epic lawsuit, because if you look at any legal commentary (I’m following Hoeg Law’s extensive coverage of the case), the odds of the App Store being broken from this lawsuit or even sideloading being allowed appears to be extremely unlikely.

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Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by sillysaurusx »

threeseed wrote: post #32
jeroenhd wrote: post #24

It's clear AS is a great advancement in general computing, but every piece like this reads as "the hardware is amazing, and it's totally worth it to work around these arbitrary software restrictions". This performance would've been available on iPads years ago if it wasn't for Apple's blanket ban on JIT and the likes. Apple is one of those companies whose hardware I'd love to have if it wasn't for their software and…

Apple’s blanket ban on interpreted code is not arbitrary. It is there to prevent apps circumventing the review process and security model ie. apps pretending to do X during the review process and then doing Y when in use or obfuscating their use of private APIs. Now you can argue these restrictions are unreasonable but many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers.

I'm surprised to see no one has pointed out you're mistaken. This hasn't been true in quite some time.

You can run whatever code you want. Doesn't matter whether it has a JIT, or whether it loads all its code from a webserver dynamically, or anything else.

The sole criteria is "thou shalt not circumvent the app store review process." That means, do not change the functionality after they've reviewed it.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by CPLNTN »

jeroenhd wrote: post #24

It's clear AS is a great advancement in general computing, but every piece like this reads as "the hardware is amazing, and it's totally worth it to work around these arbitrary software restrictions". This performance would've been available on iPads years ago if it wasn't for Apple's blanket ban on JIT and the likes. Apple is one of those companies whose hardware I'd love to have if it wasn't for their software and…

This is interesting, often I’ve read the opposite point of view, people that would love MacOS on an XPS or iOS on a one plus. I guess that changed a lot in recent years, I remember in 2016 when the new MacBooks came out that they were a straight up bad deal. Nowadays, with the M1 is totally the opposite

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by jtdev »

klelatti wrote: post #59
jtdev wrote: post #50

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I run Firefox on iPad with zero problems…

I'm sure you know but Firefox on the iPad uses Apple's rendering engine Webkit and not Mozilla's Gecko -so arguably it's more like Safari than desktop Firefox.

Why should I care? It works beautifully… I have zero concern for what rendering engine Firefox on iPad uses.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #116
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #107

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>openness at the expense of security This is a false dilemma. You can have both.

This is an opinion, and Apple does not believe this opinion, nor do they have to. Furthermore, I think that if you look at the comparison of malware prevalence on Android and iOS, the claim that you can have security and openness simultaneously does not appear to be true.

https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2020/12/an-ios-zero-c...

https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-d...

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/police-say-android-phones-are...

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by mmebane »

wffurr wrote: post #53
easton wrote: post #46

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From the link: "Preliminary testing on iOS 14 seems to indicate that Apple has changed the kernel so that this trick no longer works." This is why the iPad needs a way to disable SIP (and the additional security features) just like the Mac. I could give a heck about the iPhone, to be honest, there's maybe one time in my life being able to JIT Python or whatever would've been useful on my phone. But they advertise the…

Huh! They removed that hack in iOS 14 but added “extended virtual addressing entitlement” in iOS 14.2 that allows this for real! https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/06/ios-14-2-brings-jit-compilati...

Unfortunately, the sideloaded-JIT support seems to have been an accident, as Apple killed it off in 14.4.

https://twitter.com/altstoreio/status/1354096048650809349

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by Andrex »

xvector wrote: post #87
hnlmorg wrote: post #17

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Nor Flipper -- the cult TV show that featured a crime fighting dolphin (I kid you not).

Nor Flipper, the tamogatchi-like hacking device [1]. [1]: https://flipperzero.one/

Nor Flipper, the GameCube's GPU [1].

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameCube_technical_specificati...

But I guess it's somewhat related. :P

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by epanchin »

fooqux wrote: post #44
threeseed wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple’s blanket ban on interpreted code is not arbitrary. It is there to prevent apps circumventing the review process and security model ie. apps pretending to do X during the review process and then doing Y when in use or obfuscating their use of private APIs. Now you can argue these restrictions are unreasonable but many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers.

> many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers And many of us do . I would never buy a locked-down piece of hardware like that. But I don't think it matters either way what either side wants, because it's what Apple wants that matters. They want to keep their walled garden's walls air tight, and there are apparently enough people that are OK living in that garden that it works. I'm positive tha…

I gave my grandmother a iPad because I felt confident that she could not install anything nasty, nor could be tricked into installing anything nasty.

If Apple allowed you to unlock your iPad, they would also be allowing my grandmother to be scammed into unlocking hers.

Building a walled garden was a great decision for consumers by Apple, and if it was profit driven then that’s +1 for capitalism.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by haswell »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #205
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an opinion, and Apple does not believe this opinion, nor do they have to. Furthermore, I think that if you look at the comparison of malware prevalence on Android and iOS, the claim that you can have security and openness simultaneously does not appear to be true.

https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2020/12/an-ios-zero-c... https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-d... https://www.tomsguide.com/news/police-say-android-phones-are...

Apple's goals with a highly curated app marketplace and the existence of exploits are orthogonal to each other.

Nor is security just about "can the device be exploited or not?".

What are you trying to explain with these articles? How does the existence of iOS exploits support your thesis that Security and Openness can co-exist?

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by klelatti »

jtdev wrote: post #204
klelatti wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you know but Firefox on the iPad uses Apple's rendering engine Webkit and not Mozilla's Gecko -so arguably it's more like Safari than desktop Firefox.

Why should I care? It works beautifully… I have zero concern for what rendering engine Firefox on iPad uses.

I didn't say you should care.

If you used Firefox extensions - as many others do - then you probably would.

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