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2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

The problem with trucks like the F-150 is all marketing. My impression after seeing a recent F-150 is that the goal is to feel big and luxurious. Even on the ICE version of the truck, the area under the hood is mostly empty.

The reason an entire car hide in front of the bumper, out of the driver's view is that it makes the truck look cooler. The window sills are also at a silly height, to make the truck feel bigger, but at least that doesn't create the same safety issues (for everyone outside the truck) with no real value.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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post #144

I hope the ability to use your EV battery to backup your house power becomes an expected capability in the future. Glad Ford included it. Too bad Tesla backed away from it, i’m guessing due to their powerwall business.

i wonder how long a car could possibly power a house

Depends on the size of the house's load and the size of the battery and the efficiency of the inverter.

Ford's promo site says 'up to 10 days with rationing power' asuming 30kWh use per day with extended-range battery. But it's not clear to me if 30kWH is normal use, and rationing would be less, or if that's the rationed use. A 300 kWH battery seems rather large to me, and i haven't seen an actual spec for the Ford.

Edit: reread their site after reading sibling posts, in a different blurb they say 3 days or 10 days with rationing with the same assumption about 30 kWH per day; so their rationing assumption must be getting down closer to 9 kWH per day. Either way, a nice feature to have that would eliminate a portable generator for me.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

#204
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The occasional heavy-duty trip is a reasonable use case for a range extender (as in, an IC engine gen-set) either towed or on the truck bed.

The idea of having a gas-powered generator in the bed of an electric truck is both genius and hilarious to me.

Removable hybrid option.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

#205
post #45

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

…what a non sequitur. The F-150 is already a bloated monstrosity, it makes no difference if it’s electric. It’s some tiny bit faster, but they’re all fast enough.

Every single car today is bloated.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

#206
post #123

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Wait, so you're against cars? I am confused as to what any of that has to do with the new electric F-150.

It's heavier because of the batteries: 2022 Ford Lightning: 6,500 lbs 2021 Ford F-150 Hybrid: 5,794 lbs 2021 Ford F-150 ICE: 5,014 lbs (All 4-door models)

1999 Chevy S-10: 3241 lbs and it came with a proper 6-foot bed, not this 5.5-foot garbage.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

#207

I gotta say, I am very impressed by what I've seen with the F-150. It's clear that a LOT of thought has gone into this product and Ford clearly understands their target audience extremely well. There are so many nice features that are so well tailored to folks who buy trucks. All the features to power job sites, etc is really sweet and I can totally see that being super handy. Heck, it would make it super easy to wor…

The only gotcha with this, is that F150s are huge. I have an oversized garage and an F150 will barely fit. Many of my full-size truck driving neighbors opt to park in the driveway because they turn a modern two car garage into a 1.5 car garage unless designed specifically for giant vehicles.

I haven't seen consumer chargers that are designed to be installed outside. Most people have wall chargers in their garages, but I don't thing this is going to work for the majority of F150 home owners.

That being said, this is an otherwise incredible vehicle. The F150 is pretty much the ultimate vehicle for someone with enough space for one, and this improves upon it in nearly every way.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Wait, so you're against cars? I am confused as to what any of that has to do with the new electric F-150.

EVs are heavier by nature (this vehicle’s battery pack alone is ~1800 lbs). Your average driver is not good at driving. The F150 sells very well. Ergo, more risk of more property damage and human harm. You can’t get around physics. More mass with more force carries more risk.

The location of the battery also means lower center of gravity and probably better control over the vehicle, and the curb weight is about the same. These will probably be net safer than ICE F-150s

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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post #144

I hope the ability to use your EV battery to backup your house power becomes an expected capability in the future. Glad Ford included it. Too bad Tesla backed away from it, i’m guessing due to their powerwall business.

i wonder how long a car could possibly power a house

Ford claims three days based on 30 kwh per day usage.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

#210
post #177

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It needn't have been this tall. With the internal combustion engine out, Ford could have designed a lower, more curved, less deadly front end. Instead, they kept the high nose and used the space as a trunk. After all, injuring fewer pedestrians sells no cars. Indeed, the market prefers an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile. Ford are behind this game in that they have…

Roads are made for large dangerous machines that move fast and can hurt you.

That’s why they should only have one lane for cars with a 25mph speed limit.
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