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YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Not free anymore - they're now adware that's monetizing your viewers after unilaterally changing terms and cutting you out of the deal. It arguably puts them on equal footing with people who unilaterally change the terms of the site usage deal and block their ads. Remember, forcing you to watch ads means it's not free - it's you trading irreplaceable moments of your life for something. Unless your time is worth absol…

Why are you constantly ignoring the fact that they also keep paying for all the bandwidth, encoder CPU use and development of playback platforms for any device brand capable of showing a video out there? Try running a hosting platform yourself and you'll quickly see just how crazy expensive bandwidth is. It's just ridiculous to expect that someone will 100% subsidize your video bandwidth for free.

Was YouTube losing money before they made this change? Their monetized content more than covered the bills for the content that wasn't monetized, and that free content their users gave them kept viewers on the site and watching ads. YouTube wasn't running a charity before they made this change, that free content they were given was valuable. They're just hoping that if they squeeze the golden goose harder it will lay more eggs.

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Couldn't they just be proxied through a first party server?

That would partially defeat the purpose. First party adds see first party cookies, so they have no inherent cross site tracking ability.

Cross-site tracking via cookies (and 3rd-party cookies in general) has already been dead for years.

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Frankly I just hate the idea of YouTube creators getting paid for their work. /s

I'd pay half a cent per video or whatever it works out to be, but I'm not going to pay by letting Google or any other corporations track my every move and action

There is Youtube Premium which is a flat fee: https://www.youtube.com/premium

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Sure, it is all on YouTube/Google's fault if you decide to install an adblocker and not participate in the compensation of the creator who made the very video you are enjoying. Definitely not illegal to do so, so do as you please, but don't turn yourself into a white knight by some mental gymnastics with the sementics behind what a user agent is. You want to enjoy the video without ads, regardless of the consequences…

Most YouTube creators offer side channel donations via Patreon. Prefer paying the value generator than the middle man.

Youtube provides the hosting and audience. That has value.

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The battle between ad platforms and users is going to be never ending. For YouTube, the _right_ thing to do is to pay for the premium option which removes ads. Otherwise as difficult as it is to say, you are getting something for nothing and people do make a living from YouTube videos. Ok, maybe you can contribute to a patreon outside of YouTube, but you’re not going to do that for everyone and those videos are not s…

I would, but: 1. I feel a 45% cut to YouTube is too big. Compare that to Patreon, which takes 5%. Granted YouTube offers a lot more for their cut, but the difference feels too big, especially given point 2 below. 2. YouTube is extremely untransparent about revenue sharing, so it feels like I'm paying Google, not the creators. So give me more transparency and take a smaller cut, and I'll be happy to disable my ad bloc…

Do you hold the same opinion about Apple's app store? Do they have a right to their 30% cut?

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The battle between ad platforms and users is going to be never ending. For YouTube, the _right_ thing to do is to pay for the premium option which removes ads. Otherwise as difficult as it is to say, you are getting something for nothing and people do make a living from YouTube videos. Ok, maybe you can contribute to a patreon outside of YouTube, but you’re not going to do that for everyone and those videos are not s…

I would pay to get rid of ads. The only problem is that I would need to log into YouTube to take advantage of that. If I log into YouTube, that requires me to be logged into Google everywhere and I do not want that at all. The only solution is to use Firefox containerization or use separate browsers or separate browser profiles for things and I'm not going to do any of those because all of those options are annoying…

Agreed. I’m happy to pay for youtube premium but I don’t want to log into google because google will ask for my phone number, and my YouTube activity will be tracked. I only use YouTube logged out.

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I would pay to get rid of ads. The only problem is that I would need to log into YouTube to take advantage of that. If I log into YouTube, that requires me to be logged into Google everywhere and I do not want that at all. The only solution is to use Firefox containerization or use separate browsers or separate browser profiles for things and I'm not going to do any of those because all of those options are annoying…

> If I log into YouTube, that requires me to be logged into Google everywhere and I do not want that at all. You can use Firefox Containers to sandbox Google logins. Alternatively, you can use a different browser when accessing Google-owned websites.

If you click on a YouTube link now will the browser know what container to open that in?

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But Google is going to use my data for advertising, with or without premium. An adblocker gives me the luxury of not seeing ads while keeping my data private.

Maybe it's only for the EU, but on adsettings.google.com you cab tell it not to use personalised data for ads.

Unfortunately, I do not trust this setting at all. They still have the data and they will hoard them, and use it for unknown purposes.

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This one single problem is why I switched to Firefox. Even the FF mobile app does a much better job.

You can't switch to Firefox on iOS. It's Safari,or Safari with Firefox' UI. Apple forbids other web browser engines on iOS.

I realize that, but it doesn’t change the fact that with Firefox I don’t get ads on YouTube, whereas with Safari I do (ipad). FF probably just has additional content blocking features by default. Even when I install other content blockers on my device, safari still shows ads on YouTube.

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> but it isn’t a priority. I would kill for this.

Unpopular opinion: you can subscribe to YouTube Premium to stop ads on YT on all your devices

I did yet I still get the embedded ads (lots of VPNs,“brilliant“ subscriptions) YouTubers rely on to make a living because while YouTube shares Premium revenues with Creators it doesn’t allow them to enable a version of their Videos without „sponsored content“ for subscribers. And whats more, because the YouTube Algorithm is totally broken with regards to recency bias, if friends send me links to YouTube Videos that are even slightly political, or related to covid, or any more popular category than what I like to watch, then I have to open them in an incognito tab and get all the ads because I don’t want to have my feed filled with that kind of content for weeks. When I use the App it even features it’s own incognito mode but even though I’m logged in the app, when I switch to incognito it shows me ads. So yea ad blocking is the best option as long as it remains feasible.
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