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Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by ViViDboarder » Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 1:41 PM UTC

nvr219 wrote: post #158

dmak wrote: post #153

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You can use it on the desktop and it syncs fine. Have you looked into it recently?

I have. It doesn't sync message history. I have the desktop client on one computer, and if I set up the desktop client on my other computer (the one I'm on right now) it won't bring over all the past messages - it'll be like I'm starting fresh.

Yes. Because your desktop has a new private key and can’t access the other messages. This is the same if you log into a new device with iMessage.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by ViViDboarder » Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 1:42 PM UTC

vetinari wrote: post #195

threeseed wrote: post #142

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Apple's services includes AppleTV+, Apple Music, Apple Fitness+, Apple News+, Apple Podcasts+, iCloud Storage. And it represents 20% of Apple's revenue so pretty sure this "they haven't actually jumped on the services train" comment is just a little off.

I've got a free year of Apple TV with a new Mac. Nobody in our household is watching it; it has no app for Android TV.

Ted Lasso is worth watching. Other than that, I didn’t use my year trial either.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by vetinari » Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 3:47 PM UTC

ViViDboarder wrote: post #202

vetinari wrote: post #195

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I've got a free year of Apple TV with a new Mac. Nobody in our household is watching it; it has no app for Android TV.

Ted Lasso is worth watching. Other than that, I didn’t use my year trial either.

I registered only because I'm curious how they will do Asimov's Foundation (once it happens). Otherwise I would not bother.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by thatcat » Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 5:11 PM UTC

oneplane wrote: post #98

musingsole wrote: post #81

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You're right that a lot of it isn't conscious. You're wrong that it isn't calculated.

I suppose if you only have 'calculating' friends that could be true. Most people just don't care and avoid the friction of change.

Apple did the psychological calculation and created friction in a way that manipulates social groups in order to benefit themselves.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by ksec » Sun, May 02, 2021, 8:02 AM UTC

js2 wrote: post #116

> I am concerned [that] iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones. We're an iPhone family, but damn is that lame. How about: make the best product. Don't coerce people into buying an iPhone. It drives me crazy how fractured messaging has become. Here's a recent example. My non-technical aunt tried to send a group iMessage to my wife and me. For me…

You just described what that bloody pile of crap called iMessages is doing all the time and is somehow extremely popular in US.

It still baffles me why US has always had the different default IM compared to rest of the world. When the world moved from ICQ to MSN, they are still with AIM. When the world went with WhatsApp, no one in US knew WhatsApp until Facebook announced their $16B acquisition.

And what's worst is Apple didn't even care to improve iMessage.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by scubbo » Mon, May 03, 2021, 10:46 PM UTC

posguy wrote: post #185

scubbo wrote: post #150

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I have Signal installed on my laptop, and it works perfectly. Do you mean multiple mobile devices? I guess that's probably true, and I'm sorry to hear that that's a limitation for you. That said - isn't that limitation also true of every other major messaging application. I only know of SMS and WhatsApp - what alternative do you prefer?

Signal on paired devices works really poorly if you are a heavy Signal user (eg: 5+ daily active groups that are media heavy, over 5GB database size). The Signal servers rate limit you severely, causing it to take tens of minutes (or sometimes half an hour) to catch up to where your friends are at. Brief losses of connectivity are near-unrecoverable without closing the app on either my laptop or Pinebook, and worst y…

Good to know, thanks! I have a mental disconnect between "1-1/small group chat clients" (for which Signal works perfectly for me) and "group chat clients" (for which Slack works well for work. Discord is some of the buggiest and least-usable software I've ever used, but I appear to be in the minority there). To be clear, I'm not trying to shift the goalposts here - it's very reasonable to expect Signal to be good at both, I've just never done so (which is why I didn't know about those issues, and why I only listed SMS and WhatsApp as competitors).

I definitely see that those issues would be irritating! I've never heard of Matrix, I'll give it a look - thanks!