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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ethbr0 »

vladTheInhaler wrote: post #186
snicksnak wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.

One of the major political parties in the United States denies that it lost the last election, sent goons to storm the seat of government, and is actively trying to deny people the ability to vote. But the real problem is "woke people" bumming you out by being all self-righteous.

Did we read the same parent comment?

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by _qwfv »

skohan wrote: post #116
Pfhreak wrote: post #92

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The thing that makes me less worried is that we're probably at one of the most open periods in history. Don't like Spotify? You've got about a million other options. Rogan freely chose to accept some limits in exchange for a truckload of cash. He was already doing quite well without Spotify, from what I understand. I think the framing that he was somehow unable to succeed without accepting censorship is a little off…

I'm not that worried about Spotify and 40 odd episodes from the Joe Rogan catalog, but it does fit into a larger narrative. I am somewhat concerned that a hand-full of companies can effectively remove someone from the public discourse. Nobody was too upset when Alex Jones got deplatformed, but there is something a little unnerving about the fact that Twitter was allowed to basically kill certain news stories leading…

> hand-full of companies can effectively remove someone from the public discourse.

How do you today compares to historical American freedom of discourse? For example, I look at things like the House Committee on Un-American Activities, where stating pro-socialist/pro-communist views might get someone fired or imprisoned in the 40s-50s. [1] Or the 'Comics Code' of the 60s-00s, where comics publishers agreed to self-censor. [2]

Or the Hay's Code from motion pictures in the 20s-60s, where things like 'Ridicule of the Clergy' were strictly forbidden? (The Supreme Court even deciding that Freedom of Speech did not apply to motion pictures in 1915.) [3]

Or the Parents Music Resource Center who applied the 'Parental Advisory' sticker to music? [4]

You could be murdered or beaten for being pro-union in the 1900s-1910s.

I bring out these examples not to try and add some whataboutism, but rather to try and connect the Spotify/Tech company case to a broader historical context. Yes, these things are bad, and it may also be bad that we're seeing that consolidation today. It's important to be educated about historical precedents, about who had the authority and who was silenced, about which groups held power of which others, and about how we should holistically look at the problem of limiting public discourse.

Far too often I see people narrowly focus on the now, focus on specific recent events and say, "This is an unprecedented shut down of discourse." (And to be clear, this comment is not aimed at you, skohan, but more broadly.) Or, "This is not who we are as a nation!". When in fact, looking through the historical record, we've absolutely been disallowing certain discourse in pretty much every decade for at least the last century.

It may be that it's a different group this time, it may feel novel to folks because they are young and haven't experienced it firsthand, it may feel different because the underlying technologies are different, but fundamentally there is a throughline of shutting down discussions when 'the powers that be' dislike it, and we should be, imo, discussion that broader trend as much as the moment now.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_C... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Production_Code [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Music_Resource_Center

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ethbr0 »

asquabventured wrote: post #148
snicksnak wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.

Cancel culture should be renamed cancer culture! It is TOXIC

It should be named what it is, and has always been: anti-free speech.

The line is when you take actions designed to prevent someone else from ever speaking, or people hearing their speech, instead of (as is your right) loudly calling them a *ist.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Seasonwreckage »

hattmall wrote: post #170
Barrin92 wrote: post #155

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>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…

Removing random episodes offering no reasoning is tyrannical. It being "their platform" is a non-statement as that's the only place they can be tyrants.

If you pay for phone and you smash it against a wall, it is well within your rights even if it belongs to your kid. Extremely shallow argument on my side, but still stands true within the confines of this censorship argument.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by danjac »

gsich wrote: post #153
mikece wrote: post #2

I wonder how much longer Spotify will continue to delude themselves that they can take successful podcasts and put them into their walled garden -- turning off legit, public RSS feeds -- and that it will somehow work out for them. Rumor is that Apple is going to launch premium podcasts and turn off access to the iTunes podcast directory in order to have their own walled garden for select, paid podcasters. Eventually…

Podcasts without RSS feeds are not podcasts anymore.

Spotify has basically invented this new thing called "radio".

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by benchaney »

vladTheInhaler wrote: post #186
snicksnak wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.

One of the major political parties in the United States denies that it lost the last election, sent goons to storm the seat of government, and is actively trying to deny people the ability to vote. But the real problem is "woke people" bumming you out by being all self-righteous.

A country can have more than one problem. It is deeply foolish to suggest that only one of them can be the "real problem".

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Yoofie »

S_A_P wrote: post #27

I wonder if/how much the move cost his listener ship. I see in the comments pleas for Joe to come back to Youtube. I dont know why this happens but Spotify does not work with UConnect on my Jeep. It plays for 1-2 seconds and then mutes. Spotify is the only music/audio platform that doesnt work with Uconnect, but that immediately removes it from being played in my car. Long car rides are where I consume podcasts, so n…

I used to listen alot more before the Spotify deal. The podcast listening experience in the app is hot garbage.

I am a paying premium paying customer. Why do I get ads in the beginning and middle of the podcast? And there was a bug where to if you skip too fast, it jumps back to replaying the ads again. Super frustrating.

I don't ever watch the podcast video stream but the few times I did, it was super buggy, sometimes jumping forward/backward in time or simply not responding to input.

Luckily a random redditor posted a URL where you can listen to podcast using traditional RSS [1][2].

[1]: https://spotifeed.timdorr.com/4rOoJ6Egrf8K2IrywzwOMk

[2]: https://spotifeed.timdorr.com/

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by themolecularman »

snicksnak wrote: post #96
nickysielicki wrote: post #86

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It's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand…

always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.

I agree with another poster that Spotify employees should stand up on principle in opposition to the internal employees that are now running the asylum.

I listen to JRE on Spotify and am not happy about the decision. Actually the first episode I listened to was an Alex Jones + Tim Dillon episode (Tim being a comic I like) that is now gone. And while I don't agree with Alex Jones, I listened to it because I expected it to be controversial or nutty.

There are people who say once you give in to the woke mob they won't stop there, I wouldn't be surprised if now they know they can get other targets canceled if those targets don't consume their orthodoxy.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by krapp »

ethbr0 wrote: post #192
ziftface wrote: post #168

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Comments like the one you replied to honestly seem kind of silly. The "problem" you're describing is as old as time, it's not some new phenomenon the west bumped into.

People across the world calling you a fascist / communist, with 30 seconds of effort, to their and your 1,000 closest friends, seems like a pretty new phenomenon.

"your 1,000 closest friends?"
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