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Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Lots on green usernames in this thread.

What do you infer from that? I infer that lots of people are using throwaways because they want to express an opinion without risking the consequences the article alludes to.

It's dangerous, it paints a very different picture of the situation. For example, we saw how many fascists were dormant until it became OK to be a fascist.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Yes, woke culture creates an atmosphere where men and non-minorities may be overly cautious about what they do and say, possibly to everyone’s detriment. But let’s be clear here. That’s not the root cause. The root cause is the undeniably real treatment of women and minorities that created that reactionary mode. A number of people I talk to (curiously, they tend to be production engineers) think we live in a meritocr…

> A number of people I talk to (curiously they tend to be production engineers) think we live in a meritocracy where racism and sexism have virtually been erased.

Do they? I don't think I know anybody like this. Most of the people I know think we live in a flawed and complex world. That's why so many of them are less forthcoming with casual acquaintances, in "mixed company" as they say, as this article describes.

Not to doubt too agressively, but are you sure those people you know believe what you think they believe?

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>I don’t think most female founders even realize that they’re getting different advice than their male counterparts. Silicon Valley has always run on candor, but it’s being stifled at the moment, and no one is noticing that we are the collateral damage. Imagine what it's like being the intended target and not just "collateral damage". It's not a problem that men are nervous to be candid but it's a problem that women…

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Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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This is a really great piece. While it's unfortunate this phenomenon occurs, in a way it's also an opportunity for the many talented female VCs in the industry. I hope they capitalize on it!

I’ve seen professional women get negative feedback when they favored a qualified man over a slightly less qualified woman. I can imagine a female VC would be under the same pressure to remain silent lest they be lit up on Twitter for being female and yet still sexist.

"Internalised misogyny", perhaps?

I mean, why not, right? If gays can allegedly have "internalised homophobia", then why can't women have "internalised misogyny".

And so it goes. When we jettison reason, everyone gets to say what they want, and no-one gets to say that one conclusion is more soundly-based that another.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Remember how Mike Pence basically avoids being alone with a woman unless his wife is present? As ridiculous as it sounds, that self-preservation strategy got him to VP.

Please don't take HN threads into generic ideological flamewar, and especially not with partisan lemon twists.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26613795

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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The structural sexism in this story is arguably the investor choosing to spare himself the minor risk to reputation, the assumption that the CEO isn't likely enough to listen to the advice fairly for it to be worth giving.

(it's not at all a given that the situation would blow up in his face…)

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Remember how Mike Pence basically avoids being alone with a woman unless his wife is present? As ridiculous as it sounds, that self-preservation strategy got him to VP.

Isn't it a standard practice for any interaction between male teacher and female student? Never in private, always more than 1 witness not related/close to either of participants, etc.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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>> And the consequences of being accused of sexism by an online mob have now become so extreme that many investors don’t want to risk it anymore.

I'm glad someone said it and I'm glad that that someone is a woman so that there's a chance this message won't immediately get drowned in sexism/male privilege accusations.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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I am so thankful to work in an environment where everyone is just... normal. We don't have to walk on egg shells when speaking. Men and women can still interact like it was before I started reading about such insanity.

Agreed. I talk to the women I work with the same way I talk to the men. If I didn't, then I'm probably not talking to the men appropriately either. I think that is the right thing to do morally and that says a lot about a person's integrity, which means they trust you when you say something. So, there's no reason to think something is anything other than what you say it is.

Another important ingredient in that is saying, "I don't know" a lot. Then when you tell them something, they know you're not bullshitting them. So again, there is no reason for someone to think something is anything other than what you say it is.

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