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Re: In Stockholm there's currently an IT battle underway

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Projects are necessary for things that are built to last and not change much during their lifetime: - a bridge - airplanes - most houses - etc Hardware comes to mind - it’s all hardware on the list, basically. Software (outside certain realms ofc) like this? I’ve been, like many others here, doing this software thing for 20+ years now. Big and small, I’ve basically never seen anything spawned from a project-driven or…

I suspect that one cause of this is the fact that these contracts need to be rendered for, which means stipulating the requirements at the beginning so bids can be produced. So a change of approach would necessitate a change in how how contracts are awarded.

What you describe is the real change now when “digitalization” has popped up again. Back to the future!

It’s not going to be a technological shift - it’s a different approach to software and forming teams around it.

I’m writing this and it kind of echoes Brooks words in “the mythical man month” - it was written in the 70s.

Re: In Stockholm there's currently an IT battle underway

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> But who decides who is skilled enough? Trial and error using a free market place.

When we are talking about centralized government institutions - then we kind of left the free market place.

Well, this thread gives an example of a private initiative that provides a better alternative. :)

Re: In Stockholm there's currently an IT battle underway

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Maybe Öppna Skolplattformen should just change their code to identify the token by its contents, no matter the parameter name?

Good luck with that if it's a CSRF token.

It's supposed to be :-D

Re: In Stockholm there's currently an IT battle underway

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I love this idea, but it seems that in general bureaucracies are not agile or freethinking enough to be willing to risk doing something like this, even though in the long run it might be amazing. Imagine if an easy-to-administer system of this ilk was freely available and was picked up by school districts around the world; that would be an incredible pool of talent to work with. Especially if the product can be a lit…

I had the incredible luck to meet on the day of his involuntary retirement from running the largest global financial aide fund until the Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation exceeded the figures involved, forced into very early retirement because the New Labour government dictated by fiat the abrogation of every civil servant who was recruited internally and not from university. My advisor and great friend could manage…

Is this some GPT-3 spam or does it just read like it?

Re: In Stockholm there's currently an IT battle underway

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>This reeks corruption. Absolutely correct, it's smells exactly like the kill-LiMux "Project" from Munich. But Sweden has a pretty big history being corrupt, just think about Assange, Olof Palme...and the bad russian sub story.

OK, I'll bite. I'm thinking about those, but I don't see the corruption. Care to elaborate?

Sweden, LiMux or Olaf?

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I wonder how Swedes maintain their reputation of having a well-run, corruption-free public sector?

Corruption and inefficiency of this kind is a relatively new phenomenon, stemming from a regime of letting private contractors run the whole show. A fun fact is that Stockholm has one of the most expensive buildings in the world: Nya Karolinska, which has cost (converted from Swedish currency) around 2 billion dollars. The reason behind this is that construction was run as a public-private partnership. Meaning you sh…

The whole thing just reeked. Boston Consulting Group had junior consultants billing 200 hours a month but couldn’t produce documentation of what the actually did

Re: In Stockholm there's currently an IT battle underway

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Among other things, that we get angry in public when this happens. Hopefully that someone will see at least some consequence. That we are even surprised and upset about this I think is a good sign. I’m sure there are places where people would shrug even if the brother of the politician in question was running the firm that got the contract. Thankfully we have very little of that.

Do we though? There's a couple of government watchdogs that specifically track waste of taxpayer money, and sometimes underlying corruption. Those names (Slöso) are considered by both politicians and certain political leaning citizens as "right wing capitalist propaganda machines/special interest outlets". I vividly remember how everyone shrugged of some small, local politician spending 50 Million SEK(5 Mil USD) on s…

Slöseriombudsmannen is employed by the private lobbyist group Skattebetalarna. The love to rage about stuff like the thing you mentioned but have “a curious disposition” with stuff like Nya Karolinska:

https://www.skattebetalarna.se/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Sk...

Re: In Stockholm there's currently an IT battle underway

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This 3rd party app in question ( mobilt bankid) is also used to access everything in Sweden ( taxes, banks, social security applications .. )

Also: as a Swede, I must say, it works very well. It is also a closed source thing, but unlike this Stockholm Stad system, it’s basically a success story from the end user perspective. It’s great to have a unified, secure and easy to use way to access your bank and government services.

As a fellow Swede, I must say that BankID is one of the most blantant corruption schemes that have happened in this country.

It's a proprietary product that's not publicly available, and yet it's required for many governmental services. Obviously, it's a recipe for disaster.

For example, when Swedbank found out that I use some service at another company, they closed my access to BankID and told me that I either move that engagement to them or ask the other company (which isn't part of the BankID oligopoly) to somehow get BankID.

Even worse, there are some stories about people losing access to BankID for political opinions. That's China level of repression.

Re: In Stockholm there's currently an IT battle underway

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Is open source really a place you would find what I imagine is an enterprise 'do everything' education related IT application? I like the idea but that's not a product I think open source folks ventures to build much?

I do not understand the nature of this "do everything education app", but there are excellent open source LMS apps like https://moodle.org/

This is more of an admin/communication thing. Absence, grades, class schedules, lunch menus, homework...
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