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The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
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Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a concept in domestication that it's not always clear in a symbiotic relationship as to which party is in 'control' of the relationship, especially when one party gets a huge boost in reproductive rates from the other. Did humans domesticate dogs, or did dogs domesticate humans? Viruses are specialized. They won't attack aliens. Bacteria might. It's the fungi in many respects that are the masters of this plan…
Viruses will attack anything they can successfully reproduce in, they have absolutely no preferences. They are binary, they survive and thrive or they don't. That's why some viruses can sucessfully jump species, and some can't, some viruses are able to survive in multiple hosts through dumb luck. Yes, they all need specific types of conditions in their hosts to survive, but they don't care if it's a big, a dog, a hum…
We don't really know whether other forms of life would use proteins, or make the same ones the same way we do.
Both of those things are important to all of the viruses we have experience with.
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suggest you defend that position instead of stating it so boldly and asking us to accept your reasoning.
I mentioned in another comment just one counter example: we cannot go back to before t=0 when the universe was created. There is knowledge beyond the realm of space and time which we have no access to.
If the universe "began" at t=0, and life began at, let's call it t=100, then all we need is access to t=99, not all the way back to the beginning. I'm not saying that's actually achievable, I'm just saying your argument is not persuasive.
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why wouldn't it. If it has an answer science can find it.
He means to say that science does not have the tools to reproduce the beginning of the Universe. If it's not reproducible it's not Science. Confident assertions non-withstanding, the Human mind is a slave to nature, in that can never hope to uncover it's deepest secrets and thus, it's true.....nature?
By that definition science is entirely unreal because we can't reproduce an apple pie from scratch without first creating the universe. We explore geology including theories about the formation of the earth without making new planets.
What is supposed to be reproducible is the act of collecting and processing data to ensure that your conclusion isn't based on error, falsehood, or happenstance. What he is promoting is a basic misunderstanding of both science and logic.
People with preconceived anti science attitudes do this all the time. They face you down at high noon in their fancy duds, six guns ready at their hips sure of themselves and ready to kill and draw pearl handled.... water pistols.
They went looking for the correct answer to satisfy their religion not a commitment to truth and found cheaply manufactured baubles they are sure are deadly weapons because the very skills that would enable them to see it clearly would prevent them from looking for such easy answers in the first place.
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have no INTENTION of HARMING anyone. I feel the same way when I'm doing 150mph down the highway. And yet...
If you kill somebody you will be charged for involuntary manslaughter or constructive manslaughter depending on what speed limit was but if I sit next to you unvaccinated in a waiting room should I be charged as well?
Are you asking for an ethical opinion, or legal one? I am no lawyer, I have no idea if you could be on the hook for reckless endangerment. If you know that your choice is risky, and you fail to act, then there are circumstances when you could be criminally liable. But usually these are situations where the law prescribes a duty to act.
Are you comfortable endangering those around you because protecting them is an inconvenient imposition on your freedom? That's an entirely different issue.
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#206This seems to support easing the lockdown approach once vaccines are widely deployed.
or even if the lockdown approach is good at all, given how well it has not worked.
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mentioned in another comment just one counter example: we cannot go back to before t=0 when the universe was created. There is knowledge beyond the realm of space and time which we have no access to.
If the universe "began" at t=0, and life began at, let's call it t=100, then all we need is access to t=99, not all the way back to the beginning. I'm not saying that's actually achievable, I'm just saying your argument is not persuasive.
I gave it as an example to close the debate fully, because I'm aware of this line of arguing. The point remains, (1) life will not be possible without the universe, (2) the universe exists, and (3) we do not have access to the knowledge about how the universe was created, nor before it was created.
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's links in the article to Scientific American which also had papers from October 2020.
Cool. Where does that dispute the fact that those who are vaccinated are still breeding grounds for new variants of the virus?
If they shed less then they are less transmissible, it's in the article. It isn't about completely erradicating tranmission but bringing it to a level where the problem receeds. It's statistics, not a binary thing.
Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
Viruses will attack anything they can successfully reproduce in, they have absolutely no preferences. They are binary, they survive and thrive or they don't. That's why some viruses can sucessfully jump species, and some can't, some viruses are able to survive in multiple hosts through dumb luck. Yes, they all need specific types of conditions in their hosts to survive, but they don't care if it's a big, a dog, a hum…
We don't really know whether other forms of life would use proteins, or make the same ones the same way we do. Both of those things are important to all of the viruses we have experience with.
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Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a concept in domestication that it's not always clear in a symbiotic relationship as to which party is in 'control' of the relationship, especially when one party gets a huge boost in reproductive rates from the other. Did humans domesticate dogs, or did dogs domesticate humans? Viruses are specialized. They won't attack aliens. Bacteria might. It's the fungi in many respects that are the masters of this plan…
This is one of the things that I like about the expanse series. When people first start moving out to alien ecosystems, they specifically go into how alien viruses etc are probably not going to be a problem. The metaphor they use is "mining" basically. Where they're not concerned that people will get infected, but they're concerned that some organism will find out that people are full of some resource that the organi…
I’ve never heard of the Expanse series but your mining comment is both terrifying and intriguing! DuckDuckGo tells me it’s both a series of novels and a Syfy TV series - I’m curious which one (or perhaps both?) you’re referring to so I can add it to my read and/or watch list.