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Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack

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Re: Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack

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Regardless of the current issues with the updates, gas prices, different opinions on the community, devs vs miners vs users... Am I the only one who thinks people underestimate Ethereum and its EVM invention? In 2013 this guy (who I think is a visionary) wrote a document with a proposal that led to the creation of a world-wide turing-complete distributed computer. And still, people are just starting to realize its po…

The EVM is a natural extension of bitcoin's scripting system. Here's the original Ethereum whitepaper, Vitalik cites all sorts of pre-Ethereum work: https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/blob/old-before-deleting-al... There were tokens (Colored Coins) and Dexs (Omni) running on Bitcoin before ETH was launched.

Omni is a completely different blockchain than BTC. That's what powers the Tether network. It's far from decentralized though. It's a cartel of exchanges that operate the network.

Colored coins were a neat idea but completely impractical in practice. Hence, why they never took off. Bitcoin script is far too limiting to build expansive applications on.

Re: Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack

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Every time I read about anything related to cryptocurrency it reads like a high-school opera. With several orders of magnitude more money involved. I really don’t like this whole industry, and I cannot see how anyone would. It’s like a cult.

You seem to have described nations and religions as well. It applies to anything with a large number of interest groups involved

Re: Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack

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> There are a wide variety of benefits to this proposal, such as potentially making Ethereum deflationary Interesting that this is framed as a benefit.

Improving the store of value functionality of the Ethereum base currency will drive more demand for it, which increases its market cap and thus improves Ethereum's Proof of Stake security, makes more capital available to the DeFi system, where ETH is the primary form of collateral, and allows more inflationary currency that's backed by ETH, like DAI, to be issued.

Also, most Ethereum based projects depend on ETH reserves to fund their operations, so ETH appreciation provides more resources to develop Ethereum applications.

Re: Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an ETH user and holder (and former miner), I want Ethereum 2.0. Describing it as a fork is ridiculous. Proof of stake is the future and miners have known that for years. Proof of work is a dead end that ends with a Dyson sphere harvesting all power from the sun to process a few transactions. If miners want to make another Ethereum Classic dead chain let them do so. The innovation, the users, and all the developers…

> ends with a Dyson sphere ... Just because too much of a thing is bad doesn't mean the thing is bad in lower quantities. Drinking ten liters of water in an hour is bad. That doesn't mean you shouldn't drink any water.

That's the plan for PoS, no? It's not that mining gets eliminated altogether, but doesn't play as much of a central role.

Re: Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack

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Never underestimate the efficiency with which money launderers and organized crime are able to innovate and adapt.

It's easy to spot the people not knowledgeable in crypto when they just parrot the media's fear mongering narratives.

It’s easier for me to see the utility in any given random HN post, than in any form of cryptocurrency.

Re: Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack

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It sounds like the Ethereum "community" is about decide whether it believes in proof of work or the cult of Vitalik.

The Ethereum community consists of thousands of application developers, tens of thousands of ETH2 proof of stake validators (who have been operational since December), and millions of users. There's no debate in the ETH community about the shift to proof of stake. It's already half done. We just need to finish the job faster since miners have gotten greedy and fat on $20M a day in transaction fees.

Re: Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack

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Every time I read about anything related to cryptocurrency it reads like a high-school opera. With several orders of magnitude more money involved. I really don’t like this whole industry, and I cannot see how anyone would. It’s like a cult.

You seem to have described nations and religions as well. It applies to anything with a large number of interest groups involved

To some extend, sure, but it’s much worse in Crypto (in my opinion, of course).

Re: Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack

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I'm one of the maintainers of one of the implementations of eth2 live today ( https://github.com/prysmaticlabs/prysm ) and can help offer more context on this. Ethereum proof of stake has been live since December 1st and it currently secures over 6 billion USD worth of value https://beaconcha.in/ . Currently, this is a chain that lives in parallel to the proof of work chain we know as Ethereum today. The idea is that…

Do you think the headline is correct in labeling this as a 51% attack? The other argument would be that developers are trying to push through a contentious fork (mostly but not only contested by miners and mining pools), and mining nodes are planning to not adopt the proposed change?

Re: Vitalik escalates ETH 2.0 merge as miners plan a 51% attack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really in the hands of one person, though. If the community diverges, two chains will be created, and the one will the most value will be considered the 'real' chain. This already happened once, and the less-popular chain became known as 'Ethereum Classic.' It's still around.

Less-popular and original, interestingly in this case.

"original" is a matter of debate. For example, which chain is the original Bitcoin: BTC or BCH? Prior to the fork, they both share the same history. The community aligned more behind BTC but surely there's a fork of the multiverse somewhere in the space-time continuum where the community rallied behind BCH and gave it more hashing power.
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