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Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by arethuza »

callamdelaney wrote: post #192
arethuza wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nigel Farage made it clear that he wouldn't accept 52-48 as being decisive: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-3630668...

The difference is that the referendum was stacked against leave in every conceivable way. For example, the remain campaign had £6m more to work with. On top of this the government spent £9m on pro remain leaflets and social media advertising. Add onto this the fact that the government wheeled out every 'expert' it could find to constantly cry about how bad brexit would be - most of them were lying (Mark Carney, Georg…

I'm Scottish, so I know exactly how "Project Fear" works!

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Post by hnlmorg »

Hitton wrote: post #104
hnlmorg wrote: post #73

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This is the thing that pissed me off the most about the referendum. The result was touted as an overwhelming majority but in fact the percentages are well within the margin for error on a poll that wasn't very well defined from the outset (ie what "leave" meant was different for different people). The only thing the EU referendum conclusively demonstrated was how easily manipulated people are by the media they consum…

I think it was fitting, considering how UK joined the EU in the first place (look up Maastricht Treaty if you don't remember it).

No it's not fitting. You don't make trillion pound economic, social and political decisions based on the whim of a popular vote. At least not unless you have powerful allies in the media and a personal interest to gain. Which is the real crux of the referendum was about. It was never about us regular folk and entirely about the self interests of those in charge. We were just pawns in a much larger game of power.

Let's back that claim up with some examples:

Why the referendum was called in the first place? Cameron never wanted a referendum but did so as an attempt to unify the Conservative party because with the right wing opinions fragmenting between multiple parties the Tories were starting to lose dominance (more parties within a set demographic on a first past the post electoral system means fewer votes for any particular party within that demographic). When the Conservatives had a near monopoly in the centre and right wing policies it meant that left wing parties could never catch up due to how fragmented they are (Green, Labour, SNP, local independents, etc) so left wing voters have always had to vote a little more tactically and go for the party most likely to win in their area and hope for a coalition. So the original goal for the referendum wasn't about addressing European issues but instead about monopolising the right wing vote which was getting fragmented by nationalist parties. Cameron assumed it was an easy win and that he could curb the tide of MPs leaving his party for more nationalistic counterparts. He's even gone on record stating this and how it turned into an epic own goal.

With regards to whether we would have been better off in or out of the EU -- frankly that's one argument I don't want to get drawn into because, frankly, nobody actually knows. Most of the arguments on both sides of the debate were FUD and the most honest point anyone made was "it's complicated and we don't really know for sure."

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by andy_ppp »

Daho0n wrote: post #194
andy_ppp wrote: post #14

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I helped build a GDPR compliant system for container shipping crew personnel details that included passport photos and other sensitive details. GDPR was actually helpful in that it asks you to treat personal data as if it’s as important as credit card data. We did this and consequently if you had a a database dump or backup you’d be really hard pushed to extract any crew information from it and getting at passport co…

If you deleted those first four words your comment would read much better and likely not be downvoted :)

True - I should have been less aggressive in my comment, I'll remove it!

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Post by auganov »

viraptor wrote: post #118
lanevorockz wrote: post #48

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Let’s be honest, it’s not up to the UK alone. The EU still has strong world influence and they will try to stop it at any cost.

Why do you think so? What do you think EU has to gain from UK doing badly? And I mean in practice, economically - we're way past the time "told you so" is relevant.

If the EU cannot show there's a big exit cost it may not last too much longer. Economic growth is so lackluster all across the EU, including new entrants, that few people (who looked at the data) genuinely believe EU membership is a GDP booster. EU's next best bet is to play into the fear that exiting will bring about economic ruin. This works particularly well on newer members who may not be on good terms with core EU countries. Their fear wouldn't necessarily be missing out on benefits but getting slapped with sanctions.

Re: UK to depart from GDPR

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Post by klingon78 »

vmception wrote: post #9

I honestly get giggles from how unprepared they are culturally for what becoming America-like will do to them. Does anyone else? American-like but with no negotiating leverage and having burned all the bridges to the other economic unions.

The US has a similar privacy law in California they must support, and many companies have presence globally, so they are having to deal with this in the following ways, like many others.

GDPR has given a 50M EUR handslap to Google and similar to some other large companies[1] while seriously hurting smaller companies with existing custom web applications for whom they may not even have someone on staff to modify those to be GDPR-compliant.

Small businesses like others must determine what PII is, how to anonymize it, and how to remove it when users request their PII to be removed. PII could be in their server logs or other locations that are inaccessible to most employees of the business. Backups might be excluded from PII scrubbing, but so much is unclear.

Let’s also talk about what it doesn’t protect. PCI, not GDPR, attempts to provide protection for cardholder data. GDPR doesn’t protect against PII that was previously shared. Nor does it protect from data being stolen, unless the user had their data removed prior.

[1]- https://dataprivacymanager.net/5-biggest-gdpr-fines-so-far-2...

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Post by monkey_monkey »

callamdelaney wrote: post #192
arethuza wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nigel Farage made it clear that he wouldn't accept 52-48 as being decisive: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-3630668...

The difference is that the referendum was stacked against leave in every conceivable way. For example, the remain campaign had £6m more to work with. On top of this the government spent £9m on pro remain leaflets and social media advertising. Add onto this the fact that the government wheeled out every 'expert' it could find to constantly cry about how bad brexit would be - most of them were lying (Mark Carney, Georg…

Actually, the referendum was stacked against Remain, as Leave covered every single possible variation of not being in the EU, and at no point had to define anything except being "Not Remain"

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Post by gmac »

callamdelaney wrote: post #109
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #86

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I have many British friends who were absolutely against this, I also know a former boss who was very public about his Brexit vote and like many of those who voted for it, will be too old to have to deal with the consequences of this decision. If anything I think it is rather unfair to hear people from other EU countries treating this process as something along the lines of 'suits them' and 'they've made their bed'. W…

I'm 24 and voted for brexit. In fact I campaigned for it and would do so again. It's really a very poor form to resort to the "dumb old racists voted for brexit hurr".

OK, so the problem is that I find it basically impossible to understand how a well-informed and rational person could come to the conclusions you've come to.

The EU isn't perfect, but you'll struggle to argue that it hasn't expanded peace, prosperity and human rights across the continent. This is motherhood-and-apple-pie stuff.

Arguments in favour of Brexit thus tend to boil down to immigration and 'sovereignty'.

There's a consensus amongst economists that immigration makes us financially better off. That makes it hard not to ascribe a strong desire to cut immigration to a powerful desire for ethnic homogeneity and/or a powerful dislike of foreigners. Those things are very close to racism.

Meanwhile, the 'sovereignty' Brexit delivers is almost wholly illusory. In practice, we'll get to choose which of the big players to take the rules from. That's going to be either the US (which hardly anybody actually wants — most Brits value our health service, non-toxic food and drinking water, holiday pay, and so on — and also isn't very helpful, because the US is far away) or the EU (whose decisions we used to play an outsized role in, but no longer have any influence over).

It would be hilarious — if it weren't tragic and a little terrifying — that the ones in charge of 'taking back control' are also the ones stifling parliament, suppressing voting, and attacking academics, judges and the rule of law. As far as I can see, the only ones taking back control are the rulers, and the only ones they're taking back control from are the other citizens of the UK.

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Post by robin_reala »

arethuza wrote: post #184
simonh wrote: post #128

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For a start the people who actually rule - the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers. When it comes to business leaders, they're as divided as everyone else. A lot of businesses do extensive trade with the EU and stand to lose. The finance industry particularly risks losing a lot of business, although there are some sectors of it that might gain it's mostly through trading on short term volatility. They'll…

"the MPs in parliament - are predominantly remainers." The Conservatives have a majority and are there any Remainers left in that party - I thought most of them had been purged before the last election?

Ken Clarke isn’t going anywhere.

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Post by Daho0n »

krageon wrote: post #119
DangerousPie wrote: post #101

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I don't think GDPR applies to governments anyway, does it?

It does not and it never has.

It does. For example there're GDPR compliance info and access to delete etc. your info in all Danish governmental databases that aren't for national security or covered by GDPRs legitimate interest. You could argue if it works 100% but saying it doesn't cover and impact government isn't true.

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Post by rusk »

user-the-name wrote: post #140
lanevorockz wrote: post #34

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Yep, never heard of corruption in Italy before. The Mafia was created just a year ago right after Brexit

Why are you talking about Italy?

They are trying to use the prevalence of organised crime in one nation to justify corruption in another. It’s called “comparing yourself downwards”.

Kind of like the drunken neglectful husband who pats himself on the back for not beating his wife like some guys he sees on TV.

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