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Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by Silhouette »

mariushn wrote: post #192
Silhouette wrote: post #90

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I guess maybe you have some connection to Commerce Layer, because you've mentioned them here multiple times now. If you do, perhaps you'd like to tell them that I just visited their site and after a few minutes of reading, I still don't understand what they offer or why it might help me. The pages I saw were full of buzzwords and vague arguments, but had little substance: no high-level explanation of the scope of the…

(not related to parent) Excellent feedback! Thanks Would there be a way to contact you to ask for feedback on another potential ecommerce product? (doesn't exist yet, so that's why there's no link). My email is in profile.

Sorry, I'm commenting pseudonymously, so helping that way would "out" me and potentially others. But if I come across your product on a forum like HN and it seems like constructive criticism might be welcome, maybe I or someone else will be able to give you some useful feedback then.

Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by takeda »

adolph wrote: post #188
z3ncyberpunk wrote: post #136

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You mean Obama Biden's cages, they built them and continue to operate them after all. Exemplifying the point made above about hypocrisy

Hey, please correct this disinformation, its not a good look. Unaccompanied minor immigrants without documentation are safeguarded in facilities now, not jailed in cages.

Ok, let me correct these: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/lawyers-have-fo...

It's true they existed before, but they were used in situations when an underage child arrived to the border. Or child was found with human traffickers. They weren't splitting children from parents for longer than 42h.

Trump was the one that made the cages full, by implementing the zero tolerance policy, separating children with parents and often deporting the parents making it difficult to reunite them.

Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by takeda »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #166
z3ncyberpunk wrote: post #136

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You mean Obama Biden's cages, they built them and continue to operate them after all. Exemplifying the point made above about hypocrisy

Last I checked, Biden wasn't separating children from their parents at the border as a blanket policy and using them as leverage to get the parents to go away. Emphasis on BLANKET POLICY. Obama/Biden didn't put every child in a cage the way steven miller did. So no, I dont' see hypocrisy here. Its night and day. Trump's stewardship put these children in a lord of the flies scenario where they had to take care of each…

The effort is in progress https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/lawyers-have-fo...

They seem to locate parents for 1/6 of them within a month where trump administration just thrown hands in the air that nothing can be done, when court ruled that the children should be reunited.

Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by mito88 »

marcosdumay wrote: post #116
varispeed wrote: post #97

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I have noticed a pattern these days - people publicly criticise certain behaviours and then they do exactly what they criticise. They think that majority of people won't actually verify that and such message will embed a positive impression about that person. Then you have people rather lie to themselves rather than accept that they were wrong, so if they later find out that those people actually were doing what they…

Well, Orwell had a thing or two to say about this in 1984. It's incredibly common in party politics. If you are the party that always criticize something, nobody will believe that you are doing it. So, if you plan on doing something, you accuse our largest opositor of doing it, loudly and repeatedly.

but if you're caught later on, then fasten your seatbelts

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Post by covidthrow »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #166
z3ncyberpunk wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean Obama Biden's cages, they built them and continue to operate them after all. Exemplifying the point made above about hypocrisy

Last I checked, Biden wasn't separating children from their parents at the border as a blanket policy and using them as leverage to get the parents to go away. Emphasis on BLANKET POLICY. Obama/Biden didn't put every child in a cage the way steven miller did. So no, I dont' see hypocrisy here. Its night and day. Trump's stewardship put these children in a lord of the flies scenario where they had to take care of each…

> ...it will take time to see if he honors his commitments.

"I will not ban fracking." ...bans fracking

"$2,000 stimulus checks for everyone." ...$1,400 checks for some

"I have an extensive plan for COVID." ...doesn't have a COVID plan

"We need to close the immigration facilities used to separate parents and children." ...Trump admin closes one site. Biden admin reopens it

"I will eliminate President Trump’s... MPP on day one." ...hasn't ended the MPP

So far, at least on the hot ticket items, he's not running a great track record.

He's done a bunch of little stuff, but the big things promised during the campaign have systematically failed, and several the exact opposite direction.

So, sure, let's see if the career politician honors his commitments. I'm not holding my breath.

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Post by neycoda »

lxe wrote: post #12

Not a surprising practice, but: > Pretty ironic too when you've got Shopify's CEO tweeting about the unfair 30% cut Apple wants: https://twitter.com/tobi/status/1362411841943711744 That's pretty hypocritical

I don't understand how Apple can expect to charge 30% when the user is not buying from the app developer, but just using the app to purchase from a seller through the app developers app and store... Shopify doesn't have 30% margin to give to Apple, do they? That doesn't seem right to charge that to Shopify when they're not selling an app feature directly to the user.

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Post by gamblor956 »

foxhop wrote: post #195
__float wrote: post #146

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Unfortunately "the rules for their region" can be incredibly complex: selling online means you don't necessarily know (or care!) what your customers' region is. It's complex; good luck if you decide to tackle it!!

I think I've already captured enough complexity in MakePostSell to make it possible to implement sales tax. It's not an unsolvable problem since we have plenty of examples in the wild. I'm sure the examples hide the complexity with abstractions and I'm currently naive to all the edge cases, which makes me but not thankfully not ignorant to the path ahead. From first principles we should be able to form a generalist a…

From first principles we should be able to form a generalist approach to solving sales tax. Should be an algorithm in the public domain as far as I'm concerned. : )

Reasoning from first principles only works if you're Elon Musk and you don't actually have to go beyond a superficial understanding of the problem domain. Unfortunately, there is no "generalist approach" to sales tax or VAT. Every jurisdiction has different rules and rates. The U.S. has more than 3000 different sales tax jurisdictions, of which more than 1000 levy sales tax on digital goods and services even on out-of-state sellers.

And that doesn't take into account the dozens of different definitions of what is a "digital good." Here's a surprise for the unwary: in more than a dozen states, downloaded software is treated as a physical good.

I'd take a solution that got me 80% there.

In this case, the last 20% will take 99% of the time and effort. And then you'll have to make sure to do that work all over again next year, and every year, when the sales tax/VAT laws are updated.

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Post by covidthrow »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #172
secondcoming wrote: post #143

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Indeed, like fighting systemic racism with systemic racism.

Actually, that's one of the more reasonable strategies of this form. What would you have done to reduce the harm of that problem?

Well, that "problem" presupposes an upward or stagnant trend, which are not demonstrably true. Then the admittedly harmful act of racism was used to accelerate resolution of "that problem".

Here's the problem with that:

- it was not demonstrated that other more productive forms of change were ineffective; in fact, history shows there has been tremendous progress in the absence of "racism to fight racism"

- it has not been shown that "racism v racism" has improved "that problem"

- it is yet to be shown the negative consequences of such a strategy, but history is full of examples of further suffering, not less

You call it "reasonable", and yet I find a complete lack of reason in its use. When challenged to provide reason, all responses I've witnessed reflect an attitude of, "I don't need to give you a reason/justify it".

To my mind, that is precisely absent of reason, so I challenge your assertion that it is in any way "reasonable".

Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by yarcob »

gamblor956 wrote: post #207
foxhop wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I've already captured enough complexity in MakePostSell to make it possible to implement sales tax. It's not an unsolvable problem since we have plenty of examples in the wild. I'm sure the examples hide the complexity with abstractions and I'm currently naive to all the edge cases, which makes me but not thankfully not ignorant to the path ahead. From first principles we should be able to form a generalist a…

From first principles we should be able to form a generalist approach to solving sales tax. Should be an algorithm in the public domain as far as I'm concerned. : ) Reasoning from first principles only works if you're Elon Musk and you don't actually have to go beyond a superficial understanding of the problem domain. Unfortunately, there is no "generalist approach" to sales tax or VAT. Every jurisdiction has differe…

Also, noone will notify you when a sales tax or VAT law changes -- you have to find it out on your own :)

It's not an impossible problem, it's definitely doable, but I'm pretty sure you need a couple of people and won't be able to do it all on your own.

If you're just a small seller, you can "fly under the radar" and just handle taxes in your own jurisdiction.

But as you get bigger, you need to handle every place that you sell to. Especially if you resell your solution to others.

Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by foxhop »

gamblor956 wrote: post #207
foxhop wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I've already captured enough complexity in MakePostSell to make it possible to implement sales tax. It's not an unsolvable problem since we have plenty of examples in the wild. I'm sure the examples hide the complexity with abstractions and I'm currently naive to all the edge cases, which makes me but not thankfully not ignorant to the path ahead. From first principles we should be able to form a generalist a…

From first principles we should be able to form a generalist approach to solving sales tax. Should be an algorithm in the public domain as far as I'm concerned. : ) Reasoning from first principles only works if you're Elon Musk and you don't actually have to go beyond a superficial understanding of the problem domain. Unfortunately, there is no "generalist approach" to sales tax or VAT. Every jurisdiction has differe…

I think a general system could be designed such that most of the classifying work is done up front and also shop owners could opt-in or add additional rules to the algorithm. I think the 20% could be squeezed and solved a number of different ways especially in the name of the public.
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