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Post by anigbrowl »

kls wrote: post #191
anigbrowl wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really looks like it's people who genuinely feel Joe Biden will be the end of america. To look at it another way, they really expect the end of American and Joe Biden and/or Kamala Harris are just the right wing villains of the moment. You could pick anyone else from the field of Democratic politicians and they would equally be treated as the harbinger of the apocalypse. The underlying anxiety of the alt-right (th…

I think you are off base on this, I think there is a small contingent of the far right that are white identity adherents. The rest get labeled in with them, because they have not been vocal in their distancing themselves from that contingent, thus groups like the Proud Boys get lumped in with the white supremacist's and white identity adherents. While the Proud Boy's are a radical alt-right group, white identify is n…

The Proud boys do have members from all races, but not very many of them; and the vision of masculinity they present is extremely narrow rather than inclusive. There's significant internal tension within the group between the 'optical' approach espoused by its nominal president Enrique Tarrio and a more explicitly racist/neo-nazi one proposed by his informal rival, Kyle Chapman.

I think the white identity thing is more widespread on the far right than you appreciate; even neo-nazis have examples of ethnic diversity that they like to bring out (eg photographs of black soldiers in wehrmacht uniform socializing with caucasians) but these are employed mainly as an aid to entryism in breaking down reflexive hostility to national socialism, rather than because neo-Nazis are actually trying to build an ethnically diverse movement.

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Post by [deleted] »

1996 wrote: post #98

Regardless of any political opinions, this is utterly disgusting. They are outing someone who was driven to suicide by physical pain due to disease. If this person had wanted the donation to be public, maybe he would have. But hey, if it's for your business and tooting your horn in your crazy chainanalysis and googling skills, it's somehow ok? > "Chainalysis is actively looking to identify any additional extremist pa…

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Re: U.S. insurrectionists received $500k in bitcoins from French donor

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Post by nostromo »

anigbrowl wrote: post #190
nostromo wrote: post #153

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So she sets the record straight over 20 years later, only after being appointed by Biden, that she was only pretending to be racist. Yeah... sure... Would you accept this statement from a white supremacist? Again, we need consistent rules against racism. Otherwise you're opening the door to racists and extremists on both sides.

So she sets the record straight over 20 years later, only after being appointed by Biden, that she was only pretending to be racist. Yeah... sure.. From your own link: Later, in an interview with The Crimson, Clarke suggested that "The information [contained in the letter] is not necessarily something we believe, but some information that we think those pursuing a true understanding of The Bell Curve theory should ei…

At the time her response was that she doesn't necessarily believe in black superiority... it's just something people should address.

Does this sound ok to your ears? If this was a white supremacist, we would all correctly be shouting about how it's a dog whistle and not an acceptable response.

I wish more people would read 'How to Be an Antiracist.' I believe he's absolute right in that the only way forward is to call out racist beliefs from everyone, not selectively. Selectively excusing racist beliefs from "our side" will only open the door to more racism.

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Post by monkeydreams »

nostromo wrote: post #153
hwillis wrote: post #146

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> The book, she said, “was generating wide acclaim for its racist views” and her intention in opening the letter “with an absurd claim that Black people are superior based on the melanin in their skin” was to “hold up a mirror to reflect how reprehensible the premise of black inferiority was set.” > “It was meant to express an equally absurd point of view — fighting one ridiculous absurd racist theory with another ri…

So she sets the record straight over 20 years later, only after being appointed by Biden, that she was only pretending to be racist. Yeah... sure... Would you accept this statement from a white supremacist? Again, we need consistent rules against racism. Otherwise you're opening the door to racists and extremists on both sides.

> So she sets the record straight over 20 years later, only after being appointed by Biden, that she was only pretending to be racist. Yeah... sure...

OMG! You're right! And Terry Pratchett went to his grave prostylizing a flat earth model because he never officially made a statement that his satirical novels were just that - satirical.

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Post by exclusiv »

jariel wrote: post #194
exclusiv wrote: post #157

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I don't think the parent meant any disparagement to actual primitive tribes. Why did you assume that?

"I don't think the parent meant any disparagement to actual primitive tribes. Why did you assume that?" Because all of these statements of ethnicity have to be contextualized. You can't just say 'Well White this, Black that' - other than in a very American context. I live in Quebec and they are essentially the only classical, coherent 'ethnic group' (i.e. language, governance) in North America aside from Aboriginals…

> Because all of these statements of ethnicity have to be contextualized.

I don't see how it wasn't contexualized? They were responding to the Fourteen Words racist trash.

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Post by LatteLazy »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #78
LatteLazy wrote: post #42

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For those who don't know this reference... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

It's disgusting how such primitive people can still exist in our modern world. Yes, we have many people doing horrible things all over the world, but people being vile because their ancestors had less sun than others is a special kind of pointless stupidity.

If people can't (won't) compete by being smarter, working harder, taking long term views, innovating, up skilling etc, they fall back on "but I'm white".

That's all this really is. The economy has moved forwards. People either moved to cities and upskilled (hence the hate for a mysterious metropolitan "elite") or they sat in rust belt towns complaining their disability cheque is late again and worrying someone poorer than them might get the money instead.

That's Trumps whole platform really. That's where the racism fits in. That is all the bs about draining swamps and elites. That's "make America great again". That's rolling back climate change rules (even the tiny ones the US actually has). Bolt on anti-abortion single issue voters and tax cuts for trillionaires to keep the senate on side.

This whole thing is what happens when you have 25 years of social and economic progress and people get left behind and refuse to make any effort to catch up...

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Post by xg15 »

odessacubbage wrote: post #149
anigbrowl wrote: post #81

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Also, the bit about 'the industrial revolution and its consequences that have been a disaster for the human race' slightly paraphrases the opening of Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and its Future , which is quite popular with accelerationists and eco-fascists due to his relative success as the 'Unabomber'.

also popular with edgy twitterposters and anons, and a large swath of online news-aware people under 40. there are plenty of sunday morning accelerationists for whom all these sentiments could more accurately reflect malaise and disenfranchisement from party politics that increasingly represent no one. personally i wouldn't grant many of these statements much more weight than 'subscribe to pewdiepie' however as insti…

Are you saying antiracism is a bad thing?

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Post by parliament32 »

tanseydavid wrote: post #182
parliament32 wrote: post #97

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You do understand that I can go to your bank and make a deposit into your account with just your name and DOB, right?

You cannot do this in the US without presenting your own ID and electronic fingerprinting.

Well.. exactly. Just like with bitcoin, there's a record of who gave money to who, but there's no need to "accept" or authorize the deposit. You have no way to refusing a donation from some fringe group into your account.

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Post by xg15 »

api wrote: post #128
anigbrowl wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, the bit about 'the industrial revolution and its consequences that have been a disaster for the human race' slightly paraphrases the opening of Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and its Future , which is quite popular with accelerationists and eco-fascists due to his relative success as the 'Unabomber'.

I recall thinking of the Unabomber manifesto when I first started seeing the alt-right emerge in a big way in the early 20-teens. The alt-right and adjacent movements sort of do belong under the umbrella of neo-primitivism. There are a lot of ideological parallels and deep similarities in the emotional appeals. It takes me back to when I read the Unabomber manifesto online as a teenager when it was first printed. I l…

> with the emotional appeal to a simple world with simple ideals and a connection to nature.

I mean, I can understand the appeal, but it's sort of ironic that those fantasies are exchanged and amplified using the most unnatural and complex technology we have at our disposal.

I wonder if this is less a longing for "simpler times" than a longing for a society in which one has more power.

> Without real traumas and existential struggles, our emotional system starts attaching the coping mechanisms that exists for these things to other more mundane aspects of existence like politics and relationships.

This sounds a lot like the old nazi argument for "perpetual war": Without war, men will grow weak and complacent and society will become fragile, therefore war must never end.

I think this sort of reasoning can be easily be cured by talking with an actual veteran.

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