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Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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post #130

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The question is whether that's legal, or anticompetitive

Anticompetitive? Is parler competing with amazon in any ways, shape or form?

You didn’t read before posting did you?

They make the case that Amazon is because they provide hosting for Parlers larger competitors.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is whether that's legal, or anticompetitive

Anticompetitive? Is parler competing with amazon in any ways, shape or form?

Antitrust laws are broader than that. A company can be guilty of anti-competitive behavior even if that company is not a direct competitor of the parties affected.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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I mean, I watched as people on Twitter and Facebook Live coordinated to torch one of my favorites neighborhoods in L.A. this summer. I saw looters tweet about breaking into a drug store in Sherman Oaks. You can't say it's just talk there. The damage to Melrose and DTLA had to have been in the tens of millions, if not more.

did you report them? was there any follow-up action? i'm not condoning it but it's unreasonable to expect them to be able to ban IN REAL TIME stuff like this if they aren't already observing specific people. not to mention one of the instigators of this entire thing has been the president of the united states. his actions have consequences that are 100x order of magnitude than your rioter on the street.

Of course I reported them. Nothing happened. Twitter was totally supportive of everything that happened in June. They even put up billboards bragging about how their platform helped protests grow. During a pandemic.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#204

Who Amazon does business with is their own decision. But terminating Parler with such short notice that they had no chance of moving to an alternative without major disruption of their business. Well. That is deliberate destruction. Without knowing anything about US civil law, I would expect Parler to have a strong case.

The suit states that Amazon and Parler had a contract which stated that 30 day notice would be given before service termination, and if that's true then this does seem like a strong suit. But the entire text seems really biased and borderline crazy (all that stuff about monopoly/antitrust - since when is AWS even close to a monopoly?) so I wouldn't be surprised if they elided that the contract also allowed for early…

Had they been given 30 days, they probably could have moved to Oracle or even had setup their own servers.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#205
post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is whether that's legal, or anticompetitive

Anticompetitive? Is parler competing with amazon in any ways, shape or form?

That is not the only thing "AntiCompetitve" means, Favoring One customer over all other customers can also be Anti-Competitive under US Law, Parler does not have to compete with Amazon for them to be acting in an Anti-Competitive manner

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#206
post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

The guy in the fur hat was arrested and had a Parler. This isn't hard. The majority of people arrested had Parler accounts -- it's everywhere.

How many protesters arrested in the 2020 Summer protests had a twitter account?

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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"Friday night one of the top trending tweets on Twitter was 'Hang Mike Pence.' But AWS has no plans nor has it made any threats to suspend Twitter’s account." Is this true?

Firstly, it was but (apart from being discussion of the phrase rather than actually planning to kill him) it was swiftly taken down .

Secondly, at risk of stating the obvious: Parler has self-selected its audience to consist of proportionally many more extremists, they still exist on twitter but not even close to as prevalently on Parler (not least because many extremists on Twitter are going to be on the left, where the dialogue is harder to police because it's much less obvious where the violence starts)

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

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post #80

Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler: > Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silenci…

> it was largely done on Facebook

That could be true, I don't know, but Parler was certainly hosting some violent real-time threats: https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347190280492089344

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#209
post #40

And here we see the problem with centralized social media. Did anyone think that handing control over to megacorps would end differently? Today it’s Parler, tomorrow it’s whatever political ideology Big Tech finds inconvenient.

As long as Parler is free to use any other provider, or to host their own servers, I see no problem. I was not popular when I said that bakers may refuse (gay) clients, I will not be popular when I say that Amazon may refuse to host Parler.

Re: Parler LLC vs. Amazon Web Services Inc

#210
post #121

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Maybe not broken up but the point is something need to be done to reduce the power of these company. They are simply too powerful. Maybe some policy to make it easy for some new company/startup to disturb/compete ?

Are they more powerful than the big oil companies? the big 3 financial companies? the military industrial complex?

Maybe or maybe not but nonetheless something need to be done to fix this silencing issue.
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