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70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by BlueTemplar »

jedimastert wrote: post #145
scythe wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A more obvious criterion would be that there's no implication the people who compromised Parler actually do any kind of research on computer security. The article indicates this was a script-kiddie level vulnerability. On the other hand if an actual researcher leaks data they're still a researcher; they might be a bad person, but that's orthogonal.

> On the other hand if an actual researcher leaks data they're still a researcher; they might be a bad person, but that's orthogonal. I would disagree. To me at least, the difference between researcher and hacker is what you do with the knowledge you have.

Those aren't exclusive, hacker doesn't necessarily have a bad connotation (see "white hat").

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by rob74 »

gwbas1c wrote: post #68
mabbo wrote: post #8

This story truly terrifies me: my team owns my company's sign up page. (I speak for myself and not them, of course). Sounds like Parler, fearing that their OTP provider might go down, decided to fail-open, ie: if the dependency throws an exception, presume there's something wrong with the dependency and that the code provided is acceptable. It never occurred to them that the dependency could be down permanently, or t…

There's a surprising amount of insecure code in the wild; and naive engineers who are willingly ignorant in their security practices. I'd assume that Parler's engineers motivations had more to do with politics than providing a secure platform for protecting dissidents under duress. (Or, if we look at the history of a recent major war, the mediocre engineers working for the other side thought they were the good guys.)

To be fair, it's probably hard for a network like Parler to attract top talent. I mean, they explicitly advertised themselves as the "free speech social network" (i.e. "all hate speech welcome, we won't censor anyone except maybe Trump parody accounts") - would you want to work for such a company, or have it on your resume in the future?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by myWindoonn »

mabbo wrote: post #169
user-the-name wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you agree with what I said.

Yeah, but you said it with what looked like a lot of sarcasm and criticism. I said it with a tone of "Oh shit, I could have done exactly the same thing". Empathy. But it's a fun point of the nuances of language, isn't it? Maybe I misunderstood you.

Well, having empathy with growth hackers is reprehensible and worth critiquing. The idea of growing a business for the sake of having a big business is horrifying; it's the desire to explicitly build a large social institution and use it to damage and oppress people.

From that perspective, you're the one lacking in empathy; you would like us to have our sympathies lie with the few who build businesses, rather than the many who are harmed by the business.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by BlueTemplar »

newacct583 wrote: post #117
swalsh wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I generally agree that information from here related to the attack is in the public interest. But this is going to also reveal people who had no part of it. I don't think it's fair to justify revealing innocent peoples data.

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This is because the situation is also very different from 9/11 ?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by racl101 »

boredumb wrote: post #40
stuckindider wrote: post #30

Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

Just call everyone a terrorist and absolve your soul of any uneasiness you have with this. Surely this hyperbole hasn't been used in recent history to push authoritarian and unethical measures by state and private actors paving a golden road to hell.

Yeah, this precedent is very troubling to say the least. If or when things swing the other way, this will not go well for everybody.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by marcinzm »

varvar wrote: post #196
stuckindider wrote: post #30

Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

It's amazing isn't it? Principles, ethics.. all talk for a lot of people, situations like these show it. Watch them spin it as a good thing for humanity as a whole. Amazing.

Which side are you talking about in this?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by cactus2093 »

swalsh wrote: post #99
newacct583 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler was ground zero for the community that announced and executed the attack on the capitol. Thought leaders there were routinely evoking, imagining, and outright calling for violence, and the crowd was a feedback loop. Fundamentally the Parler community existed to provide a platform for people who had been already banned from Twitter. Frankly the peaceful use of the site was mostly incidental. I think there's a r…

I generally agree that information from here related to the attack is in the public interest. But this is going to also reveal people who had no part of it. I don't think it's fair to justify revealing innocent peoples data.

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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by RHSeeger »

rob74 wrote: post #202
gwbas1c wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a surprising amount of insecure code in the wild; and naive engineers who are willingly ignorant in their security practices. I'd assume that Parler's engineers motivations had more to do with politics than providing a secure platform for protecting dissidents under duress. (Or, if we look at the history of a recent major war, the mediocre engineers working for the other side thought they were the good guys.)

To be fair, it's probably hard for a network like Parler to attract top talent. I mean, they explicitly advertised themselves as the "free speech social network" (i.e. "all hate speech welcome, we won't censor anyone except maybe Trump parody accounts") - would you want to work for such a company, or have it on your resume in the future?

> would you want to work for such a company, or have it on your resume in the future

And even if you did want to work for such a company, the impact on your resume in the future along might be enough to deter you.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by devwastaken »

guscost wrote: post #73
devwastaken wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the media". You're not being honest, you either havent used the platform or are deliberately lying here. Either way a platform that freeley allows the organization of violent mobs has no place, and neither does anybody who supports it.

So logically then, Twitter and all its users should be cancelled for freely allowing Antifa to organize there.

Which 'antifa'? If twitter allows people to organize aggressive violent behavior to violate others rights en mass - then sure ban twitter.

I didn't say twitter or Facebook was better.

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