Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by ndjdjxjsjdjdhd » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:25 PM UTC

moate wrote: post #145

ndjdjxjsjdjdhd wrote: post #111

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Wait, seriously why is he banned though?

Because he did not actually provide a statement condemning the riot that took place and said several things that are being interpreted (by both his followers and his opposition) as supporting the behavior. (Please try not to read this in a condescending way): There is a difference between "You need to leave the capital building immediately. You are breaking the law and this will not be tolerated" (an approximation of…

Are there any other HN folks out there who are confused by this?

If I recall watching it, he asked everyone to go home and peacefully.

It seems the real issue is he won’t accept fraud didn’t happen and people are conflating that with calls to violence.

Doesn’t feel genuine or real.

There has to be people reading this thinking WTF too.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:25 PM UTC

kevinmgranger wrote: post #66

rasengan wrote: post #23

Facebook is not a platform to have a voice. It’s a platform that harvests thoughts and publicizes the ones FB most agrees with while censoring those it does not. This is a slippery slope and, quite frankly, it’s the people that lose.

When you're more or less encouraging a coup, the "fire in a crowded theater" analogy couldn't be more applicable.

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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by lazide » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:25 PM UTC

ndjdjxjsjdjdhd wrote: post #130

fullshark wrote: post #92

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See for yourself: https://nypost.com/2021/01/06/trump-releases-statement-telli... Someone described this video as taking a log off the fire while simultaneously pouring gasoline which I think is a fair characterization.

So basically you are saying: - Asking for peace isn’t enough - And. He really needs to stop believing his claim of fraud? Wild. Am I crazy or is everyone else right now?

Watch the video. He spends JUST enough time saying 'go home peacefully' that someone can say he did that. However he spends all the actual time and energy saying the exact opposite - it was stolen, fight for me, etc.

It is the height of disingenuousness to claim it was a call for peace or a thoughtful resolution. It was an emotional call to arms with a fig leaf on it.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by laddng » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:25 PM UTC

bl0b wrote: post #159

aprdm wrote: post #44

Regardless of being the right thing to do or not, it is very interesting to see a software platform banning a president of a country. Interesting times.

I learned on HN some time ago that: > "May you live in interesting times" is an English expression that is claimed to be a translation of a traditional Chinese curse. While seemingly a blessing, the expression is normally used ironically; life is better in "uninteresting times" of peace and tranquility than in "interesting" ones, which are usually times of trouble. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_i…

I heard this phrase in Shanghai and never knew it may be a curse - thanks for sharing this - I usually say this every once in a while but maybe shouldn't

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by gnusty_gnurc » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:25 PM UTC

dutchCourage wrote: post #169

gnusty_gnurc wrote: post #35

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Why aren’t we blaming anyone that died at CHAZ/CHOP on BLM? It’s hard not to see the bending-over-backwards academic justifications for why we shouldn’t be suppressing riots last year as anything other than the pretext and lead up to what’s happening now. I’m not calling legitimate protesting riots - rather the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year. Buildings were burning and government bu…

I'm not following you, what's the link with BLM? BLM is a response to (repeated) racist murders from the state and general systemic discriminations. Yesterday's riots were a response to losing a democratic election. It's hard not to see why one is legitimate and the other isn't.

> It's hard not to see why one is legitimate and the other isn't.

Do you think rioting occurred last year?

What I'm saying is that insofar as government is concerned and law and order - rioting is never justified and must be met with police force.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by throw7 » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:25 PM UTC

Gotta move with the political winds ehhh zuck?

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by boringg » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:25 PM UTC

About time. Lies travel faster than truth, that guy is a volcano of lies and facebook is the kerosene covering the rest of the country (and planet at this point frankly).

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by tolbish » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:26 PM UTC

faitswulff wrote: post #5

Anyone with a modicum of sense has been saying this should happen for years now.

This ban rings hollow. You're 100% correct that Trump has been provoking violence for years now (e.g. "If she [Hillary] gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks...although the Second Amendment people ... maybe there is" / "When the looting starts, the shooting starts").

Zuckerberg just knows now that Democrats will be in power so this is a safe move to appear like he hasn't been perfectly fine helping Trump increase the spread of his violent platform ("Facebook cannot be the arbiter of truth"). It was all about allowing "engagement" that helped Facebook's revenue.

Zuckerberg does not get to change the narrative now.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by emptyparadise » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:26 PM UTC

A single social network shouldn't wield this much power - and I mean not the act of suspending a political figure but the fact that doing that has such a big impact. I'm not saying Trump should be unblocked from Facebook here. It's the fact that him getting blocked to begin with is a big enough deal to at this point probably have hundreds of news articles written about it that deeply bothers me. We handed the keys to the public square to two advertising companies - maybe it's time to get them back.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Post by oedoedxef » Thu, Jan 07, 2021, 4:26 PM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #190

oedoedxef wrote: post #65

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"I think the only people who should be able to post their comments are the ones whose opinions I agree with!"

Funny how "I should be able to say what I please" and "I should be able to say what I please AND have no-one challenge me or criticise me" are so conflated. Don't dish it if you can't take it.

I'm fully able to take the parent's criticism. However, those who are downvoting me so that my post will be hidden, clearly are not able to accept criticism.