Undocumented arm64 ISA extension present on the Apple M1

Post by princekolt » Fri, Jan 01, 2021, 4:09 PM UTC

stephc_int13 wrote: post #190

princekolt wrote: post #141

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Competitors can't compete with them even with standard stuff. Good for them to move forward. It's funny how innovation becomes a "bad" thing when a company you don't like innovates "too much".

This is not about innovation, this is about standards. Like Objective-C instead of C++, Metal instead of Vulkan, Lightning instead of USB-C, and countless proprietary stuff they use to lock down their users and devs inside of their closed garden. This is wrong and detrimental to the whole industry, including users. Apple would have created a shitty internet if they were in charge at the time. To be honest, Microsoft…

* Objective-C first appeared one year before C++

* Metal was launched two years before Vulkan

* Lightning was invented two years before USB-C

Post by gcblkjaidfj » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 6:46 PM UTC

rgovostes wrote: post #59

gcblkjaidfj wrote: post #39

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Apple must support base LLVM functionality because it is the core of their extend-embrace-extinguish strategy. This says nothing that they will extend that offer to their undocumented secret sauce, as you imply.

Don't be absurd. LLVM was a research project until Apple hired Chris Lattner and poured money into it to make a viable alternative to GCC. They've been among the project's top contributors (financially and in terms of code) for 15 years. That's quite the long con. Apple creates plenty of proprietary technologies but I can't think of a time they've been credibly accused of crushing an open technology that already exis…

it's is a long as OSX. So it perfectly matches the 'long con' time frame. Just don't know why you go about calling amoral business strategies designed to benefit from opensource without giving anything substantial back as a "con".

There were alternatives to LLVM and patches to gcc that achieved the same. Apple option to bring llvm up by investing heavily in it has more to do with the licensing than technical aspects.

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