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How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by thatguy0900 »

m0nty wrote: post #183
nradov wrote: post #142

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My father-in-law had an intact Labrador Retriever show dog who escaped over a high fence and swam across a large river in order to visit a bitch in heat. They found him days later, filthy and with some minor injuries. The instinct to reproduce will drive dogs to do crazy things.

I took my three-year old, intact bearded collie for a walk where we met a couple with a spaniel bitch. They carried on walking, and about 10 minutes later (when they were a good distance away) we let ours off the lead. He raced off towards them at high speed, which is not unknown for him but largely under control these days. We eventually got him back and (almost as an aside) the owner of the other said "ours is in h…

Not to pile on, but ""ours is in heat at the moment." Could have warned us pal, we'd never have let him off." is a pretty extreme sense of entitlement, you should really reconsider how much other people should care about your dog and it's behaviors, ideally it should be none

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Post by Balgair »

projektfu wrote: post #38

As a US veterinarian, I hold a nuanced view of spay/neuter. Nevertheless, I generally recommend it as default for most pet owners, as it goes along with their expectations of what their pet's life will be like. People who elected to leave their dogs intact are often shocked by something down the line. 1. Pyometra. Dogs do not have menopause, but they may stop cycling. When they do they can develop a uterine infection…

Hey, just want to say thanks for being on HN! It's great to have other voices outside of SW here.

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Post by sn_master »

t-writescode wrote: post #82
sn_master wrote: post #60

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The hundreds of videos of the said dogs attacking people, the detailed news reports and expert interviews are not a source to back an argument?

Whether or not the message you’re sharing is true, the plural of anecdote is not data; and the only solution you find acceptable is the ending of hundreds of thousands of animals’ lives, many of whom have done nothing wrong.

since when not having dogs breed became the same as killing them?!

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Post by sn_master »

serf wrote: post #78
sn_master wrote: post #69

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There is a reason BSLs exist. Scientists in those countries have decided pitbulls in particular are statistically more dangerous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation Please be cautious before getting a pit bull yourself or for a loved one. I don't see this discussion moving forward regardless of whatever evidence I present. God bless, have a great holiday.

>regardless of whatever evidence I present. a youtube search query for a socially charged topic isn't evidence. There are volumes of youtube search results for free energy, moon-landing hoax explanations, remote viewing, voodoo, whatever. The list goes on forever. Right now -- this very second -- one can find videos of labradors mauling people, basset hounds mauling people, schnauzers , scottish terriers, again, the…

those videos show real incidents, correlated by news reports, hospital and police reports and interviews with real scientists, all sharing their names and institutions. Nothing similar to whatever you're referencing in your comment here.

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Post by [deleted] »

smusamashah wrote: post #167
Ma8ee wrote: post #152

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It’s not only dogs. I remember some stupid shit I did as a teenager.

A friend in military told us that as part of their training they are given injections to curb sexual desire. They can't even masturbate. Its given regularly every month or so until their training is complete.

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Post by t-writescode »

sn_master wrote: post #203
t-writescode wrote: post #82

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Whether or not the message you’re sharing is true, the plural of anecdote is not data; and the only solution you find acceptable is the ending of hundreds of thousands of animals’ lives, many of whom have done nothing wrong.

since when not having dogs breed became the same as killing them?!

Related question: you have a bunch of dogs that you believe shouldn't be allowed to be around.

What do you do with them? Further, if it's illegal for anyone to buy them, what do you do with them?

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Post by etempleton »

denimnerd42 wrote: post #135
etempleton wrote: post #116

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One of the reasons “Pit Bulls” are attributed for so many attacks is because it is not a breed and on police reports when it is a mixed breed that looks vaguely like a terrier breed they assign “pitbull” because it is not like they are going to do a DNA test to determine breed. It is also true that many people who want a tough looking “pitbull” are terrible owners who want their dog to attack and to be aggressive as…

On the other hand there are plenty of examples of pitbull dogs killing or mauling the family's cat, dog, child, or grandparent completely randomly with no prior warning. I didn't really know much about pits or have any opinion until one of my buddies adopted one and it killed his two cats with him trying to pry its mouth open. I started to look into the issue after that.

This is a good warning. Whenever one adopts a dog that is not a puppy you have to be ready for anything. You don’t know their past experience or if they were socialized with children or other pets.

Some dogs do have a very high prey drive and may see small animals / children instinctively as prey. Typically this can be socialized out at puppyhood, but for some dogs it may require constant reinforcement. If it is not addressed at puppyhood it may always be an issue and the dog just won’t be suitable to have around babies and small pets.

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Post by etempleton »

hn_user82179 wrote: post #156
denimnerd42 wrote: post #135

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On the other hand there are plenty of examples of pitbull dogs killing or mauling the family's cat, dog, child, or grandparent completely randomly with no prior warning. I didn't really know much about pits or have any opinion until one of my buddies adopted one and it killed his two cats with him trying to pry its mouth open. I started to look into the issue after that.

"With no prior warning" is a tough one. Pit Bull Terriers and other bully-type dogs are known to have high prey drives, and you can't really be surprised if one goes after a cat or small dog. I'm pretty tired of both the people who blame the dogs for everything and the people who are trying to convince the world that bully breed dogs are great beginner- or family-friendly pets. Certain dogs have certain traits that y…

You must be able to control the dog you adopt. Not all dogs are good for every person. Your experience raising dogs, space available, physical strength, and your time should all be considered.

I have heard a good measure for physical strength required is that you should be able to carry any fully grown dog you own. If you can’t pick them up and carry them a short distance you probably do not have the physical stength to handle them.

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Post by sn_master »

t-writescode wrote: post #207
sn_master wrote: post #203

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since when not having dogs breed became the same as killing them?!

Related question: you have a bunch of dogs that you believe shouldn't be allowed to be around. What do you do with them? Further, if it's illegal for anyone to buy them, what do you do with them?

Are you serious?

The UK had the same problem when they banned pit bulls. Not a single dog was killed. They just disallowed people from getting new dogs, and the ones that already existed just died out of old age in their existing homes. If new dogs are found they just go to an animal shelter where they get neutered and that's it.

In some cases, like the US, unwanted (but legal) dogs go to Canada where they get new homes. Checkout YouTube for that, they all look like happy puppies.

Not a single breed-specific-legislation in the world resulted in any dogs getting killed.

What we're talking about here, is dog breed which single handedly are responsible for over 90% of fatalities and serious injuries should be neutered and not allowed to be sold to the general public. They can be in shelters, as guard dogs or used by the police or military, just not regular family homes with elderly and children who can't defend themselves.

Where did you get that gruesome idea of killing dogs from?! No one anywhere in the world has done that or even talked about it.

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