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Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by Dylan16807 »

alwillis wrote: post #153
ComputerGuru wrote: post #150

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> the unified memory Castrated by a paltry 8GB of RAM in stock configuration!

Castrated by a paltry 8GB of RAM in stock configuration! Probably not. macOS has had RAM compression since 2009; by now, it's probably implemented in the M1 SoC, so it's really really fast. 8 GB on an M1 is closer to 16 GB on most other processor/operating system combinations.

Linux and Windows have ram compression too.

It's helpful, but it's nowhere near doubling your memory. Especially when you have an SSD to swap inactive data to, the benefit of compression is equivalent to adding something like 0-2GB of RAM.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by Dylan16807 »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #71
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #16

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As a developer, I honestly don't care if my CPU has 2 cores or 20 cores as long as it gets the workload done quickly. In the real world, I only care about how it performs and how much it costs. The implementation details are interesting, but they don't matter when I'm trying to get work done as fast as possible. The M1 comes in at a great price point for what it is and it's obviously your only option if you want to r…

> I only care about how it performs and how much it costs. > I honestly don't care if my CPU has 2 cores or 20 cores Both of these things cannot be true.

You misunderstand how some of those words work.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by yxhuvud »

macintux wrote: post #37
tuhdo wrote: post #4

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Many other clickbait articles claimed that M1 is better than the best desktop class CPUs. I only tested the water and found otherwise. The 5900HX is planned and should be within 90% performance of my 5800X within 45W TDP. Not close to the power consumption, but then zen 3 is only on 7nm, while M1 is on 5nm. The Mac Mini is $699 with only 8GB RAM, that runs out after a few browser tabs. So, for a work machine, you wou…

> that runs out after a few browser tabs Citation needed

If you need citation for that you clearly don't use jira.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by lini »

systemvoltage wrote: post #125
whatever1 wrote: post #116

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And CPU/GPU companies have been caught multiple times in the past optimizing for these particular benchmarks. To the point where if you changed the name of the executable, the performance would drop significantly.

Do you have sources? I have never heard of any CPU manufacturer optimizing Geekbench scores. Consumer grade CPUs are driven by a variety of things - marketing, brand loyalty, gaming benchmarks, reviewers such as Anantech and Extremetech, and yes, Geekbench scores. Datacenter processors are a whole another beast and driven by proprietary benchmarks by vendors. Geekbench runs so many different tests, atleast a couple o…

There are multiple instances where phone manufacturers optimize the CPU performance when a specific app is loaded - e.g. Oneplus and Geekbench in the OnePlus 5 [1].

[1] https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5-benchmark-cheating-...

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by yborg »

hu3 wrote: post #188
darthrupert wrote: post #141

To summarise: Top-of-the-line desktop computer barely beats an ultraslim passively cooled laptop.

The article states the opposite: > Java Renaissance: Ryzen 5800x is faster than M1 in most tasks by a large margin. > Java SciMark 2.0: In the SOR benchmark, the 5800X is more than twice as fast. For others, the 5800X is slightly faster, with the exception of Monte Carlo Integraton scored 2.7% lower than M1. > Java DaCapo: 5800X is mostly faster by a significant margin, except for the H2O benchmark which is more than…

Hyperbole, yes, but don't find it to be trolling.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by qz2 »

jeffbee wrote: post #171

The major difference between Ryzen 5000-series and Apple M1 is the former is sold out worldwide and the latter is on the shelf at every Apple Store in the world. Comparing the M1 to something that nobody can buy is dumb.

Yeah this is why I spent my saved ryzen money on a Mac mini. And found out it was good enough!

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by pojzon »

Macha wrote: post #130
Scarbutt wrote: post #108

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Still... $450 for the CPU only vs a $999 laptop, for most use cases the apple's MBA offers much more value and will have slower depreciation.

CPU: $450 (5800x) GPU: $150 (1650 super) Storage: $60 (samsung 970 evo 250gb) PSU: $90 (silverstone sfx 500w 80 plus gold - there's probably cheaper options but most PSUs seem sold out on amazon) RAM: $70 (16gb 3200mhz CL16, gskill or team group) Case: $70 (Silverstone tek) Motherboard: $120 (asrock b550-m itx) There's your $1000 mac killer. I wouldn't call it a sensible build, but it should outperform the mac across…

It would be a miracle to buy 1650 Super for 150 bucks where I live. They rose twice in price aleast. It would be more like 250-300$ for that card.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by qz2 »

yxhuvud wrote: post #203
macintux wrote: post #37

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> that runs out after a few browser tabs Citation needed

If you need citation for that you clearly don't use jira.

I just spent all week on an 8gb mini with slack and about 50 JIRA tabs open. Works fine.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by dis-sys »

dijit wrote: post #170
nessex wrote: post #121

The most impressive part to me is how the m1 compares to the 3900X. I’ve got a mere 3600X and every laptop I owned or worked on over the past year is noticeably and painfully slower than the 3600X. It’s been a relief to get home and turn on my desktop. It doesn’t matter if the laptops I’m using are very recent i7’s and i9’s, the desktop is always very noticeably faster. I got my m1 MacBook Pro 16GB yesterday and was…

No doubt that the 3600x is impressive- but Desktop class CPUs will outperform laptop ones almost always (due to the significantly higher power draw and thermal envelope). My 7 year old desktop goes toe-to-toe with my top of the line MacBook Pro from 2020 and in almost all benchmarks crushes it. https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-4930K-vs...

your 4930k from 7 years ago is a 130w processor for PC enthusiasts, it was a top of the line product back in its days with a $600 price tag. most regular desktop users wouldn't buy that processor, e.g. I bought a 4770k at half of your 4930k price in 2013.

on the other hand, your mentioned 1065G7 is a 15w processor that doesn't really represent what a laptop processor can do in 2019/2020. laptop processors like i7-10875H would be a far better apple-to-apple comparison in case you still want to make your claims above. the reality here is that at much lower power draw and thermal envelope (45w vs 130w), laptop processor like 10875H would crush 4930k in both single core and multi core settings.

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