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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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How is it that Zoom became so popular despite numerous large tech firms offering competing products?

The one thing I never got, was how video beat conf calls. I mean, yeah, I do get it on one hand. On the other hand, so, I am so used to conf calls, with their own pitfalls, that I never saw the added value of needing more bandwidth to see bad images of the other people in the call.

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Is this likely to go anywhere? The press release says an arrest warrant was issued, but the person charged isn't in custody. I doubt china is going to send him over, nor is he going to be on a plane headed to the US anytime soon, so nothing's going to happen to him unless he decides to enter the US?

It does limit options.

Some wealthy Chinese like to send their children to the US or Europe for University; if he does, he certainly cannot visit them, without the risk of getting arrested.

The US has been doing such things in the past, for example against "cyber" criminals in Russian and other "bullet proof" jurisdictions. Once in a while, they catch somebody who is on vacation in a country that does extradite to the US. It's a long game.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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post #127

There's even an FBI wanted poster for this executive: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/counterintelligence/xinjiang-jin/...

Where did they get these pictures? They look like mugshots but he's not in custody.

>Where did they get these pictures?

Intercepted Zoom meeting ;)

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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What other platforms compete with Zoom with comparable API integrations? We need features including: OAuth, Meeting scheduling, meeting link generation (without requiring user accounts), managing recordings, meeting status webhooks, etc. https://marketplace.zoom.us/docs/api-reference/zoom-api

https://jitsi.org/ Opensource version of zoom https://meet.google.com/ Google Meet(recording is with the enterprise version) integrates with google calendar https://www.gotomeeting.com/ https://www.skype.com/en/free-conference-call/ https://www.bluejeans.com/

To add to this:

https://kopano.com/products/meet/

A subscription or self-hosted, e2e encrypted video call tool

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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post #77

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Forget the charge - we should strive to presume the innocence of anyone charged with anything. Bringing charges is not evidence.

Charges are based on evidence shown to a grand jury. The law presumes people are innocent until proven guilty, and we should give people the benefit of the doubt, but it’s totally reasonable to talk about the charges in a news context. Charges being filed means some meaningful threshold has been passed.

What percentage of grand juries throw out the charges?

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Since we're cherrypicking, I was reading over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette#Notable_incid... and found this gem: On July 24, 1973, Dallas Police Officer Darrell L. Cain fatally shot Santos Rodriguez, a 12-year-old Mexican-American child, while interrogating him and his brother about a burglary. Cain shot Rodriguez while conducting Russian roulette on the brothers in an attempt to force a confession f…

The officer was charged and convicted and spent 2.5 (two and a half) years in jail. I'm 100% serious.

2.5 years for a cop in jail is like 100 for a lay-person. /s

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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>Part of Jin’s duties included providing information to the PRC government about Company-1’s users and meetings, and in some cases he provided information – such as Internet Protocol addresses, names and email addresses – of users located outside of the PRC. Jin was also responsible for proactively monitoring Company-1’s video communications platform for what the PRC government considers to be “illegal” meetings to d…

More like the case of the Zoom employees are members of the Communism Party and decided to interfere to raise their profiles in the party. The alternative would be not taking action and be considered "enabling" the Tienanmen Square memorial to take place and obviously face punishment.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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This indictment shows that was a pack of lies. This wasn't corporate policy working through regular channels.

The complaint by the DOJ alleges that > Jin and his co-conspirators fabricated evidence of TOS violations to provide justification for terminating the meetings, as well as certain participants’ accounts. Jin then tasked a high-ranking employee of Company-1 in the United States to effect the termination of meetings and the suspension and cancellation of user accounts. Which does sound like corporate policy working thr…

It's not regular US corporate policy to operate at the behest of the Chinese government.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The complaint by the DOJ alleges that > Jin and his co-conspirators fabricated evidence of TOS violations to provide justification for terminating the meetings, as well as certain participants’ accounts. Jin then tasked a high-ranking employee of Company-1 in the United States to effect the termination of meetings and the suspension and cancellation of user accounts. Which does sound like corporate policy working thr…

It's not regular US corporate policy to operate at the behest of the Chinese government.

It is for US companies operating in China.

In any case, it appears that the fabricated evidence was intended to suggest to the employee in charge of terminating accounts that the targeted users were violating US law in addition to Chinese law.

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