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YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Will this include all videos talking of the Russia collusion?

No, because that actually happened. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/512487-senate-p...

Except it didn't:

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/24/706318191/trump-white-house-h...

"Special counsel Robert Mueller did not find evidence that President Trump's campaign conspired with Russia to influence the 2016 election, according to a summary of findings submitted to Congress"

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Great, maybe now we can stop considering them a platform and hold them liable for their content, while other p2p video platforms can provide services Youtube used to provide.

So because you don't like them you want the goverment to censor them?

Censor what exactly? YouTube is a platform, not a person. YouTube is the one censoring other people.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

Why do you put "the truth" in quotes? Are you honestly questioning the validity of this election?

Taken in context "the truth" in quotes is alluding to the large number of people in the US who genuinely believe that the election was stolen, not the commenter's personal stance.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#204

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

Yes, it has, to a degree. C.f. Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, etc. (These voices became much less prominent after their deplatforming.) There's also a deontological argument to be made for banning dangerous falsehoods on one's platform.

The "ideas" of Alex Jones and Milo are very much alive and well.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#205

"YouTube said Wednesday it will start removing any content uploaded to its platform that contains allegations of widespread fraud or errors" So the US election was 100% error free? Got it, YouTube. I still have friends whose votes weren't counted according to their state's Secretary of State website. I'm not even sure what's the point: Supressing misleading info prior to the election is one thing, but the election is…

They said "widespread fraud or errors", which you've misinterpreted as anything that's not "100% error free". These are two very different goal posts.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#206

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

While the sarcasm is dripping, it's also true. There clearly are people that can view a video and realize that it's is 100% BS. Yet, at the same time, there are other people that will watch it and 100% believe it. If it wasn't effective, it wouldn't be used.

If we take that position then how is that reconcilable with democracy?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#207

So who decides what is true/accurate? Is this action just related to the current election or will this extend to other "fake news" and elections in other countries? Covid news comes to mind.

The courts do? And so far they haven't produced any evidence and they get flung out of every court. On COVID, every country on the planet agrees. The scientists have spoken. The guy who thinks the royal family are lizards should not be considered even remotely reliable.

Yes! The courts do. And this is going to court now. Google is not and should not be the arbiter of truth.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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People who see other people as incapable of judging for themselves somehow never count themselves into this category. This is a definite turning point towards more and more content curation and away from being a platform, lets just hope other p2p projects fill that void and that Youtube loses its legal protections based on its status as a platform.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#209

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

Everything starts out as un-proven. If you use that measure to remove content you can justify any censorship.

I think the principle is a little different, it's more a question of at what point do you reign in potentially inflammatory arguments. It's not all disproven arguments: for example, there hasn't been a big push to silence people who insist the Earth is flat, as the potential for harm stemming from that kind of nonsense is limited.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#210
Stop worshiping these websites like they are the only things on the internet that matter. It's ok if stuff gets removed from YouTube, it's one website and it's not obligated to host your HD videos for free for any reason. Get over it. Pay for the hosting if you want to project controversial content on the internet that people don't want to host for free.
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