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Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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I know this kind of thing might not be very popular on HN, but I like their anti-meritocracy statement: https://funkwhale.audio/en_US/code-of-conduct

You like an ANTI -meritocracy statement? We truly have gone backwards.

A recent PEL episode went into why meritocracy is not as good as it seems: https://partiallyexaminedlife.com/2020/10/12/ep-254-1-sandel...

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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I've been using this for a little over a year and like it a lot but it lacks the music discovery features of commercial platforms (which becomes important when you have terabytes of music) and takes a lot of effort to organize music and create play lists. The music onboarding process typically starts with organizing metadata with Musicbrainz Picard then import the collection into Funkwhale's DB via a cli admin tool.…

Which music service's discovery features actually work? For me the only one that worked was Google Play Music. The rest have been total and utter crap at discovery.

If by Music Discovery we mean finding music that's new to us as apposed to finding particular music we already have / own, I have two main sources:

* Freeform radio stations (preferably with live playlists): WMFO, WFMU are my favorites. Even people who are immersed in music can't help to hear something new every hour. For me, it's a constant wave of new-to-me music. Many free form radio stations are also layering tracks, interviews, noise, and other audio treats that make for unique experiences that may never (or should never, haha) happen again. Just under free form radio there are countless excellent LPFM and college stations around the country - Hollow Earth Radio, nearly every college radio station from Boston to Milford PA.

* I also use Bandcamp for getting deeper into a genre or trying out new ones. They write up articles that profile maybe a dozen artists that represent the boundaries of a style - whether you read them through or just listen, it's an amazing value. Easily on the level of what the New York Times does for classical music. Bandcamp is obviously growing like a weird and wonderful weed the last year - I would really like them to add a few more features for building random playlists within a few criteria.

https://wfmu.org

https://www.wmfo.org

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/arts/music/five-minutes-c...

https://www.hollowearthradio.org

http://www.csgnetwork.com/lpfmradiotable.html

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

#204
post #93

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Grooveshark was awesome! From the brand, the UI, the service. RIP Grooveshark.

They really were the best, and they had obscure music that I would have never expected they'd have. Old SNES game OST like the super mario rpg soundtrack was there. It felt like if I could think it, I could find it. Ad-free and flawless free experience. Truly a gem.

I was using it at my job when it went down. Music stopped, things weren't responding, reloaded the page and knew it wasn't coming back.

I was using it way back when you could use their Java Applet to upload your music. Had my entire library on it!

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

#205

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>someone else's wrong joke >punishing people for jokes Again, we're talking about sexual harassment and racism. It's important not to leave that part out.

It's still a dangerous territory. Do you remember when Adria Richards overheard two guys talking about dongles and forking at a conference, assumed it was offensive/sexual and got them fired, before we learned that... they were talking about dongles and forking?

We can agree both things are bad.

People shouldn't use jokes as a cover for racism, sexism, etc. We know people do this. We should do things to stop it. No one is saying you can't make whatever jokes you like in private with people you know won't be offended, but they are saying that those jokes can be harmful to people they want to have in their community, and that you can't say them in that community. It's their right to do so.

People also shouldn't try to get others fired over things like people talking about dongles and forking, assuming they're actually talking about dongles and forking. If someone approaches you and makes a joke about how they want to fork you with their dongle, well, it's pretty obvious what they mean. If you overhear someone talking and hear the words fork and dongle, well, it's not so obvious and we probably shouldn't get them fired.

That being said, it sounds like the joke was at least in part actually a sexually charged joke about a "big dongle" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 - though the forking seems to have not been intended to be sexually charged. This is perhaps another reason that people should consider their words - if you just made a joke about a "big dongle" and then immediately say "I'd fork his repo," there's a chance it's going to be interpreted in a sexual manner because of the context.

Making a joke about "big dongles" in public is probably not something you should do. Someone being offended doesn't automatically mean they're right, but it's also not a high bar to not make dick jokes around thousands of other people that you don't know and don't know how they'll take it.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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The word 'meritocracy' was coined as a derogatory term about the education system in England in the 50s in a satirical text. It mocked the idea that such a thing could exist because the system obviously wasn't designed for it. If you value "intelligence", but only give rich people access to good education, then you've just created a two-step process that selects for rich people.

Ok, so what? It's not used in that context anymore. It's the same pitfall as the master/slave/blacklist/whitelist/etc. arguments: people have a problem divorcing historical meaning from present-day usage. Meanings change and evolve over time. If we follow this stunted logic, then there's going to be a lot of other English words/phrases that need to be banned as well. The only people associating them with their histor…

The present-day usage of the term still refers to an impossibility.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

#207
post #141

I know this kind of thing might not be very popular on HN, but I like their anti-meritocracy statement: https://funkwhale.audio/en_US/code-of-conduct

> The field of software development embraces technical change, and is made better by also accepting social change. Really? All social change is good for the field of software development? Utter nonsense. This product itself is, if anything, a rejection of the social change towards centralized ad-supported streaming services. > We understand that working in our field is a privilege, not a right. I don't have a right t…

You don’t have a “right” to work in any particular field. Harvey Weinstein has no right to work in the movie industry because of his actions. For that matter, coal miners have no right to continue being coal miners - those jobs are outmoded. You have a right to earn a living, but not to any particular job.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

#209

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Ok, so what? It's not used in that context anymore. It's the same pitfall as the master/slave/blacklist/whitelist/etc. arguments: people have a problem divorcing historical meaning from present-day usage. Meanings change and evolve over time. If we follow this stunted logic, then there's going to be a lot of other English words/phrases that need to be banned as well. The only people associating them with their histor…

The term was coined in a derogatory manner because the person who coined the term thought it was a ridiculous concept. No one is saying ban the word meritocracy, but people are saying that if you're arguing for one, you've missed the point.

The concept that was considered ridiculous was only giving rich people access to the resources to make it in a meritocracy.

But for a while, the UK actually didn't do that. New universities were created, "grammar schools" were mostly replaced, new hiring practices adopted, and the stranglehold of the establishment was broken a little bit, for a little while.

That was because as ridiculous as the original idea might have been, good people with good intentions started to believe in "meritocracy", and used the idea to make changes.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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post #45

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There is a middle ground between "sending people to camps for a wrong joke" and "no one should be held accountable for any of their actions if they claim they are jokes"

A joke is not an action. It can never bring harm to another person.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will really hurt me"
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