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What Bitcoin’s White Paper Got Right, Wrong and What We Still Don’t Know (2018)

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Re: What Bitcoin’s White Paper Got Right, Wrong and What We Still Don’t Know (2018)

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It's important to remember that the main thing Bitcoin needs to maintain is it's monetary policy and you can find it at any time right here https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/validatio... Anyone can query at any time the total amount of Bitcoin that have been issued without relying on anyone. After downloading the Bitcoin client just run gettxoutsetinfo You can try to guess how many dollars have been…

that was... an incredibly well-articulated point. you just convinced me to buy some bitcoin.

Re: What Bitcoin’s White Paper Got Right, Wrong and What We Still Don’t Know (2018)

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It is hoped among Ethereum enthusiasts that moving from Proof of Work to Proof of Stake in Ethereum 2.0 will solve those massive energy usage problems without introducing vulnerabilities into the system.

>without introducing vulnerabilities into the system. Did they end up solving the "nothing at stake" problem?

Yes. With Ethereum’s PoS system, you get penalized for voting in multiple forks.

See https://eth.wiki/en/concepts/proof-of-stake-faqs (I can’t link to the paragraph).

Re: What Bitcoin’s White Paper Got Right, Wrong and What We Still Don’t Know (2018)

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Eh, the Lightning Network has been a thing long enough that the appropriate question is no longer "when will it be ready?" but "how much is it being used and for what?" and if the answer is "not much for anything", "why?".

Lightning is still relatively new, one of the answers to the "why" is that none of the large wallets such as Coinbase / Cash App support it yet. Once it gets a few user-friendly wallet and merchant apps, I'd expect to see adoption. Especially since it's much safer for merchants as they do not need to wait for confirmations, and transactions fees are fractions of a penny so merchants actually benefit compared to credi…

Why do none of the large wallets support it yet?

It's been well over five years since the Lightning white paper. By this point in Bitcoin's own timeline, the MtGox scandal was in rear view mirror; in another year, the Lightning network will be as old as Bitcoin was when Lightning was proposed.

If Lightning is going to provide the mainstream digital currency Bitcoin promised but failed to deliver, why is it taking so much longer for Lightning to be adopted than Bitcoin?

Re: What Bitcoin’s White Paper Got Right, Wrong and What We Still Don’t Know (2018)

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Exactly! The first sentence from the original white paper is literally: "A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution." Bitcoin was intended to be MONEY, instead it's pretty fucking useless for anything other than hoarding. I think it will remain an asset class, but history will not be kind to i…

Bitcoin is the first successful project which achieved digital scarcity. Scarcity is one of the most important features in assigning value to a particular object. Bitcoin's scarcity is not only proven, but also completely transparent and trackable. Its scarcity does not rely on any centralized organization, it is completely based on mathematics and cryptography. It may not have been apparent how ground-breaking or im…

It seems to me there’s a higher possibility for the practical number of BTC in 2050 to be zero than for the practical amount of USD in circulation to be zero.

Re: What Bitcoin’s White Paper Got Right, Wrong and What We Still Don’t Know (2018)

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Initial sync up of a full node doesn't need all 300 GB of chain history to be downloaded/validated. A pruned state can be downloaded with no more trust assumptions than that required to trust the software distribution channel where you download the Bitcoin software from to actually serve Bitcoin. Anyway, every one in the world doesn't need to run a full node. Even a few thousand geographically distributed full nodes…

> A pruned state can be downloaded with no more trust assumptions than that required to trust the software distribution channel where you download the Bitcoin software from to actually serve Bitcoin. Nonsense. Bitcoin software releases come with widely publicized checksums and signatures from reputable sources.

Couldn't those reputable sources also provide widely publicized checksums and signatures for a pruned blockchain state?

Re: What Bitcoin’s White Paper Got Right, Wrong and What We Still Don’t Know (2018)

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The idea of bitcoin as a store of value and not a currency is a revisionist interpretation that became popular with the blockstream devs around 2017-18 when it became apparent that the bitcoin network was unsuitable for handling payments at scale and had fees too high to be useful for mundane payments.

Exactly! The first sentence from the original white paper is literally: "A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution." Bitcoin was intended to be MONEY, instead it's pretty fucking useless for anything other than hoarding. I think it will remain an asset class, but history will not be kind to i…

> Exactly! The first sentence from the original white paper is literally: "A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution."

It's not mutually exclusive. It can be a store of value while still meeting these goals.

Re: What Bitcoin’s White Paper Got Right, Wrong and What We Still Don’t Know (2018)

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I don't blame Bitcoin for being volatile. I just don't see how its volatility is consistent with the claim that it represents an innovation in protection against inflation.

Again, we are bootstrapping a financial system. Volatility is to be expected. Volatility will decrease with time (lindy effect, adoption, etc.) as it has from the beginning. In the asymptotic target state, btc is the only true scarce asset in the world, uncensorable and with instant global transfers.

Respectfully, this seems like less of an argument and more of a slogan. It's hard to see why the Lindy effect, adoption, "only true scarcity", uncensorability, or instant global transfers would imply a large eventual decrease in volatility.

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> Bitcoin is a terrible savings vehicle for the same reason cash in checking accounts or collectibles are: there is no basis for its value. 10 years is a long time to hold an erroneous belief based on a misunderstanding of what money and assets are. I had the same wrong beliefs as you do now for a long time and misallocated capital at a crucial moment. Parker Lewis explains[0]: > [Bitcoin] is backed by the only thing…

> Incidentally, if you pick up a US dollar bill, you'll see the inscription: "this note is legal tender, for all debts public and private." Therefore, that note derives its value from the implicit debt underlying it. There's no such thing. That it can be used to pay debts doesn't mean there are debts underlying it, implicit or explicit. It means that if you incur a debt, and you have one, you can use it to resolve th…

> That it can be used to pay debts doesn't mean there are debts underlying it, implicit or explicit. It means that if you incur a debt, and you have one, you can use it to resolve the debt.

This is a misunderstanding that guides the idea that we can print money arbitrarily. I'm not saying I am right but I am saying that there's a distortion in our understanding of fiat currency that we need to keep thinking about by examining our base assumptions.

Consider: The only reason to receive a dollar is because I've provided you with a service or product. You need to pay for that, therefore you have incurred a debt (we might agree that you pay in 30 days, but even if you pay in 16ms, you had a debt for that amount of time). That dollar, then, is the value of that debt, which is the value of my labour. When it's not the value of my labour, you have either underpaid or overpaid. That dollar is just a paper. The only reason you or I think it's valuable is because we can use it to pay such debts that actually exist in reality. A dollar is an abstract unit of such a debt.

It's legal tender because a government promises to enforce debt repayments using fiat. The government creates the currency, the enforces its ability to pay individuals using that currency, and requires individuals to pay the government, through taxes, in that currency.

It should then be easy to measure the productivity of a nation by "looking" at the total money supply. If we print money, then prior valuations of productivity in such transactions are debased: I gave you a dollar for your algorithm yesterday, but today there are twice as many dollars. You would have charged me 2 dollars, had you known more would be printed!

That's the hypothesis: a dollar is a measure of value of the debt incurred during transactions between productive humans/machines. Holding that dollar implies a debt to me was paid. The dollar stores the value of that productivity for me and allows me to pay a future debt I will incur.

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So humour me and ask yourself: what if the dollars in existence are, in fact, backed by debts on productivity. What are the implications on monetary policy.

Re: What Bitcoin’s White Paper Got Right, Wrong and What We Still Don’t Know (2018)

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>without introducing vulnerabilities into the system. Did they end up solving the "nothing at stake" problem?

Yes. With Ethereum’s PoS system, you get penalized for voting in multiple forks. See https://eth.wiki/en/concepts/proof-of-stake-faqs (I can’t link to the paragraph).

The "What is the “nothing at stake” problem and how can it be fixed?" proposes 2 solutions. Which one does ethereum use? The page itself is pretty long, and I can't find an answer with a quick skim.
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