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Re: Particle Physicists Continue to Make Empty Promises

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Post by selimthegrim » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:31 PM UTC

sampo wrote: post #17

JesseMReeves wrote: post #11

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> She didn’t cut it and now is in a non-tenured position at a second rate institution. What an awful reply to legitimate criticism. I infer that some of your friends at CERN talk about her (quite successful) book this way?

> > She didn’t cut it and now is in a non-tenured position at a second rate institution. Lee Smolin, who did "cut it" and who worked in several first rate institutions, wrote about the same thing in his 2006 book The Trouble With Physics. So Sabine Hossenfelder is not alone with these opinions.

If you read Jacques Distler’s blog you might be excused for thinking Smolin didn’t make the cut

Re: Particle Physicists Continue to Make Empty Promises

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Post by imtringued » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:53 PM UTC

andi999 wrote: post #198

criddell wrote: post #175

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> It is really hard to organise 6000+ people to do anything. For sure, but we know we can do it because we've already done it.

No, you cannot reestablish HEP. HEP was extremely attractive to the theoretical inclined physicist because it contained a lot of unexplained data. There is no unexplained data now, HEP currenty lives on on the momentum it has. If you reduce this momentum to zero it will be gone (it will also be gone in 20 years if nothing is found)

It's kinda like the nuclear power industry. There was a huge investment by the government with an interest to build weapons. Some of it spilled over to energy plants. Once the government got what it wanted and had enough bombs funding was pulled. Nuclear power plants did ok for a while. Then decades passed and just a skeleton crew remains. Restarting the momentum is only possible through massive cost overruns.

Re: Particle Physicists Continue to Make Empty Promises

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Post by anonytrary » Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 10:03 AM UTC

thombat wrote: post #26

anonytrary wrote: post #14

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There's no way this isn't a troll.

Surely not so much a troll as a tub-thumping snort of sarcasm. The truism of sales is that if a customer comes looking to buy a suit and a pullover then you make sure to sell them the suit first, after which the price tag on the most exorbitant cashmere pulli will seem utterly reasonable. With that as a guide maybe science budgets are best discussed on the tails of bailouts?

Speak plainly. You'll increase your conversion rate.

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Post by deepstack » Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 10:07 AM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #141

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yeah more funding and focus should start to focus on stuff like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Exceptionally_Simple_Theory... Time to spend some money else well.

Lisi's work is generally considered extremely unlikely by physicists. The eye-catching title and colorfulness of its author attracts a lot of attention with the public, but it doesn't match experiment. It has basically been abandoned. I agree that we could probably spend billions of dollars better than on another enormous collider, even within high-energy physics, but it probably wouldn't be best spent on E8 Theory.…

be interested to see those paper that disproves them. Can't be any worse then the string theory.