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Russia doesn't prevent it's citizens from traveling. What prevents it's citizens from traveling is getting a VISA to the destination country. This is granted through the local Embassy or Consolidate of destination country requiring a VISA. Permanent residency is not citizenship. Granting Permanent Residency will give him some sort of stability knowing he will not have to renew his status every year (or so) and be abl…
That's not strictly true. In Russia, unlike US or Europe, you have to show your passport to leave the country, and you can be prevented from leaving by court order.
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Both put lives at risk for what has apparently achieved zero gain. I don’t want Snowden to have a pardon, and I think he and Manning both belong in prison.
Yet we accept this because the alternative means a strong precedent for prosecuting whistle-blowing. Snowden literally exposed a massive spy campaign and moved it from conspiracy status to truth. Just because you didn't do shit about it doesn't mean it was 0 gain :)
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Has anyone on this thread seriously discussed leaving the US with their partner, based at least in part on the growth and aggressiveness of its domestic security services?
During the peak of red scare, McCarthyism it quite likely there were people who left because such concerns, so it possible. Plenty of people from the tech world have had unpleasant experience with US security apparatus, leaving them hesitant take a job in the states. The maintainer of curl project comes to mind notably
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I wouldn't call revealing the extent of illicit NSA surveillance "zero gain".
If nothing else, it pushed Google to close the security hole the UK was using to harvest inter-datacenter data.
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Except that people saying this was happening were labeled as conspiracy theorists by many. This is what people always forget when they pull out the "Yeah but we already knew that" no you didn't, you might have suspected it but there would always be plenty of people ready to shout you down saying "We don't know that for sure", "That has not been confirmed", "Take off your tin-foil hat". I'd wager that the people clutc…
Clinton's "we were already having these discussions" had me tempted to vote for Trump in 2016. Until Trump gave his position on the matter, which managed to be worse.
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Both put lives at risk for what has apparently achieved zero gain. I don’t want Snowden to have a pardon, and I think he and Manning both belong in prison.
If there was a gain would you feel differently about pardoning Snowden?
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Both put lives at risk for what has apparently achieved zero gain. I don’t want Snowden to have a pardon, and I think he and Manning both belong in prison.
> Both put lives at risk for what has apparently achieved zero gain. So, future impact affects your assessment of the righteousness of an act of conscience? How does that work?
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Nobody's ever challenged Ford's pardon of Nixon. It's actually real unclear what the legality of it would be if a subsequent President had tried to arrest him.
What makes you say it's unclear? It's considered settled, even though the Supreme Court has never had to rule on it.
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> It's standard procedure. If it's "standard procedure", then he would have fully expected to stay in (be stuck in) the first country he landed at once leaving HK. Like I said, it was planned.
Ah, yes, the trained master-mind Snowden. It was all a ploy to embarrass the US and hide the fact that Snowden actually collaborated with Russia, which the US for some reason would never even assert.