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Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by webmaven »

simonh wrote: post #169
djsumdog wrote: post #159

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This seems like a large sample size, with the administration being a test. With the pure psychological and fear impacts of this on the world, not the mention the vast majority of people with severe cases being over 55 (people older than 65 have the potential for complications from ANY infection, viral or bacterial) ... I don't think there's a way to accurately account for the placebo/nocebo/mass-hysteria effects of t…

I don't even know what mass hysteria is supposed to mean. It conjures visions of people running screaming in the street tearing their clothes off. I suppose the nearest we've had so far were panics such as mass buying of toilet paper and cleaning products. We've had serious problems with mass delusions such as ant-vax, chem trails and pizza-gate propagating through social media since long before Covid. Of course now…

Perhaps this classic book would be of interest:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Memoirs_of_Extraordinar...

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by pkkm »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #67
easytiger wrote: post #29

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Furthermore most people, certainly before covid, who are so ill wouldn't even be considered for ICU respirator use because the recovery time from the trauma to keep them alive might exceed their likely life expectancy anyway. There is a worry that during covid more people are being referred for respiraton when previously they wouldn't be. That was the issue, at least in the UK with the field hospitals as well. They c…

In perhaps the most frustrating linguistic confusion of the pandemic (competing with "lockdown"): A respirator is a mask. A ventilator is a pump. Ventilators are far more dangerous than respirators.

Language differences really don't make this easy. For example, in Polish "respirator" means ventilator and "wentylator" means fan (like the kind you'd put on your desk on hot days).

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by webmaven »

api wrote: post #68
xd wrote: post #15

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Also, I had a brief look over the paper but couldn't find anything to control for isolation since lockdown .. surely this would of had an effect on peoples cognition. On a side note, maybe it's just me but I keep seeing comments that don't follow a "politically" accepted view point, being down vote like yours.

If isolation with a net connection for a few months dropped multiple IQ points, then all the shut-ins who do nothing but hang around on the Internet all day would be losing multiple tens of IQ points a year and would be functionally disabled by now.

> If isolation with a net connection for a few months dropped multiple IQ points, then all the shut-ins who do nothing but hang around on the Internet all day would be losing multiple tens of IQ points a year and would be functionally disabled by now.

You're assuming the effect is both permanent and cumulative.

An analogous effect: Clinical depression is also known to lower IQ in a subset of sufferers (for some oddballs, it's actually their main symptom). But the effect is neither permanent, nor cumulative. When the depression lifts, so does IQ (usually with a bit of delay).

So I would surmise that the same may be true of IQ deficits caused by prolonged isolation.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by bamboozled »

biolurker1 wrote: post #189
fasteo wrote: post #105

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Fair point. I missed that part. Thanks. Now we should also research if viral infections in general have an association to cognitive deficit. I guess this will be the case.

The fact that your comment is still the most up voted should be part of a future psychology study where people become extremely biased towards good news when scared

Flip it around and I might say that some people are more attracted to bad news and hope for the worst and are disappointed that the situation isn't truly that bad?

I'd say most of the world is wired towards the drama of bad news, which is why there is so much demand for it.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by biolurker1 »

bamboozled wrote: post #204
biolurker1 wrote: post #189

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The fact that your comment is still the most up voted should be part of a future psychology study where people become extremely biased towards good news when scared

Flip it around and I might say that some people are more attracted to bad news and hope for the worst and are disappointed that the situation isn't truly that bad? I'd say most of the world is wired towards the drama of bad news, which is why there is so much demand for it.

I'm describing something that happened in the thread and you flip it around with something that didn't?

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by bamboozled »

biolurker1 wrote: post #205
bamboozled wrote: post #204

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Flip it around and I might say that some people are more attracted to bad news and hope for the worst and are disappointed that the situation isn't truly that bad? I'd say most of the world is wired towards the drama of bad news, which is why there is so much demand for it.

I'm describing something that happened in the thread and you flip it around with something that didn't?

People do hope for bad things to happen, there are pessimists and optimists.

You've interpreted this data is bad and you feel others should feel bad about it. Maybe that's not a conclusion most feel they need to agree too?

Don't forget this study isn't completely proven other factors might be at play.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by Corinthian »

Anecdotally, I've had covid 19 and I hate to say it, but it is taking me longer to gather my thoughts at present. My ability to sum up the correct word I need seems to have really suffered.

I understand tiredness is a longer term effect of covid, so I'm hoping it's that.

I didn't suffer any breathing difficulties, though I was told my viral count (I think they called it that) was very high. Also, my short sightedness seems to have noticeably got worse.

As I said, this is entirely anecdotal. However, I noticed these differences even before I read this article. I am a little worried.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by dempseye »

julianlam wrote: post #93
dempseye wrote: post #46

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This is a very English way of expressing oneself.

I also used to find this disturbing, but the way I have explained this to myself is -- Insignificant 75% Of course for each individual situation the numbers vary, and I use them simply to demonstrate that it's a matter of degrees, and not as binary as you may expect a typical "not" to be. It is the only double negative I have come to find useful.

I don't find it disturbing. I think your interpretation is close enough.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by dempseye »

nicwolff wrote: post #163
dempseye wrote: post #46

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This is a very English way of expressing oneself.

It's the rhetorical figure called "litotes" and has been common in many languages now and throughout linguistic history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litotes

I am aware. I was not saying that this is a characteristic of the English language, merely that it is more commonly use in the English spoken in England than in the United States, for example.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by neuronic »

rtp wrote: post #38
neuronic wrote: post #34

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People are unable to worry about or comprehend the effects that happen right NOW. I am a staunch believer in post-viral syndrome as I experienced it first hand following an Epstein-Barr infection (mono) but aside from a handful of researchers nobody cares at all. For most physicians, it isn't even within the realm of possibilities when you come to them with random maladies. Boom, now you have anxiety because that's w…

It's amazing how people think a virus that lives latently in B cells and epithelial cells, and is strongly associated with various forms of cancer among a big helping of autoimmune disorders, is incapable of causing post-viral syndromes. No, it must be anxiety, of course! EDIT: Just because a disease makes you frustrated because you can't really do anything about it except empathize and listen, doesn't mean you can j…

Correct, I don't expect doctors to cure me. I expect them to acknowledge that EBV could play a part here. But nope, just anxiety.
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