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The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by meiraleal »

Subsentient wrote: post #159
meiraleal wrote: post #121

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false equivalency? if there is one I'd say the oppression to black people is way worse, specially with so many people invested in suppressing this discussion. It was the Uyghurs that built China's prosperity? Were they enslaved, lynched, segregated for centuries? I don't think there is really an equivalence. What the US did to the black people is a lot worse.

I'm so tired of this drivel. I don't understand how anyone can take themselves seriously saying this shit, comparing the two issues. Only thing I can think of is being paid off by the CCP.

That's the history of your country, it is better to deal with that than blame everyone else. The US have enough money to solve the issue, but not acknowledging it makes it impossible to solve.

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Post by scotty79 »

dxdm wrote: post #174
scotty79 wrote: post #107

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The world I see inside USA doesn't seem like something worth spreading either.

Maybe, but what's your argument here? That there's a zero-sum game of one or the other, and that nothing can be done to contain any nastiness? That all alternatives are equally bad? You seem to imply a lot, it would be helpful to actually know what you mean.

My argument is that previous poster has no argument when he proposes that USA should confront China and win. He proposed it as a zero sum game which I don't agree with. I think there should be no hastened confrontation because both sides are strongly pathological so probably neither should win all right now. Also I don't believe USA can win anything anymore because it struggles even in minor conflicts and lost all support and trust of global community more than decade ago. I don't see USA becoming less dysfunctional because it had every opportunity and didn't improve. I'm more optimistic about China because we have seen that communism can fall. I know it's a stretch hoping that for China but since post world war ii period we never seen USA improve its behavior.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

zpeti wrote: post #18

“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.

Harrharrharr. Ronny Raygun, really? Got something for you:

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlBIa8z_Mts

Genesis - Land of Confusion (Official Music Video), 1986, 5min28sec

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by scotty79 »

wil421 wrote: post #199
scotty79 wrote: post #187

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I'm only posting this because I never intend to visit American soil. Otherwise I wouldn't dare. Because I know that these kinds of messages might be connected to my person and used against me if I ever come in conflict with American enforcement.

How would you know what it was like in America if you’ve never even visited?

I read and watch.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by throwaway_pdp09 »

ASlave2Gravity wrote: post #141
pistoriusp wrote: post #128

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Anti-China (The government) is not Anti-Chinese (The people). I'm South African. I grew up in Apartheid and I'm white. It ended when I was 10. Am I a bad person? No. Are my parent's bad people? No. Were my Grandparent's bad people? No. The Apartheid Government of South Africa was terrible. Especially to black people, but also to white people who didn't toe the line. Sanctions were very effective.

Ah, thanks for sharing. Yes, I'd agree on all counts. As I said in another comment, we need to be so careful with what we are saying. I just get really upset when the anti-China-goverment narrative spills into an anti-China-people one.

> when the anti-China-goverment narrative spills into an anti-China-people one

other than sloppy posting I don't think I've ever seen that (that I can remember). Whereas I've seen a fair number of pro china posts that freely talk about 'westerners' instead of western governments. They tend to get killed pretty fast though.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

powerapple wrote: post #135
chaostheory wrote: post #67

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As an immigrant who's experienced and seen both countries, yes, and that's with the US's glaring imperfections. We at least are brave enough to openly admit our faults, and it's in our history books and not whitewashed. imo that's a key step. Nothing else is possible if you can't admit that there's a problem, and getting to this step is nearly impossible without free speech In addition to freedom of speech, we also h…

No Iraqi is comparing US to Iraq. I don't understand why there is always a contest between US and China. US is a developed country, and China is a developing country. It is not a beauty contest. Also there does have to be only one winner. Maybe, just maybe, there is no need to mess up another country.

Genuine question: what is it that qualifies China as a developing nation?

The last thing on my mind when I think of China is "its a developing nation." China seems to own quite an empire.

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Post by wyuenho »

scotty79 wrote: post #107
zpeti wrote: post #18

“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.

The world I see inside USA doesn't seem like something worth spreading either.

Here's some news for you: China is the new USA, just more blatant and duplicitous at the same time.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by throwaway_pdp09 »

ASlave2Gravity wrote: post #145
Nevaeh wrote: post #102

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History has shown that the CCP will oppress the Han chinese if they do not bow down to their ideology. "approximately 65,000 Falun Gong practitioners had been killed for their organs between 2000 and 2008" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

Have you ever met a Falun Gong practitioner?

How is that relevant? If you have or haven't how would that change the murder statistics?

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Post by SteveSmith16384 »

eecc wrote: post #170
zpeti wrote: post #50

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The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system? Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Where journalists repeteadly disappear? Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? Yeah. Accurate.

Not to defend China, but the restitution of HK was agreed since long ago. And it would be naive to believe China wouldn’t have started to annex the city back, the last symbol of British colonial domination and the defeat of the Opium War. Of course there’s no winner here, only losers...

> it would be naive to believe China wouldn’t have started to annex the city back

Does that make it okay then?

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