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Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

#201

Post by JoeAltmaier » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:43 PM UTC

devthrowawy wrote: post #200

cupofjoakim wrote: post #198

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I think you and me see different values in linux as a platform. What I want is for linux to be a true alternative to windows or macOS for all users - not only the tech-savy. The goal should be for someone like my mom or my wife to be handed a linux based machine and for her to not see it as a scary thing, but as a viable daily driver. I'd argue that your comment is somewhat elitist - what does it even mean to say tha…

I'm not meaning to be elites in the sense that i'm trying to look down on certain linux users. But if someone is going to use linux or not use it at all based just on how it looks then they don't need linux and can use a regular desktop os just fine. Linux is important because of how it is used technically to build software systems and that it is open source. If you start bringing on users that don't have that intere…

That sounds like a personal goal? I'm not sure I see any necessary reason that linux exist solely in either category (open-source true purpose, or popular desktop). Did I miss the argument?

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

#202

Post by devthrowawy » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #201

devthrowawy wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not meaning to be elites in the sense that i'm trying to look down on certain linux users. But if someone is going to use linux or not use it at all based just on how it looks then they don't need linux and can use a regular desktop os just fine. Linux is important because of how it is used technically to build software systems and that it is open source. If you start bringing on users that don't have that intere…

That sounds like a personal goal? I'm not sure I see any necessary reason that linux exist solely in either category (open-source true purpose, or popular desktop). Did I miss the argument?

I honestly do think you missed it and it's been laid out by my two comments. This isn't a personal goal of mine it's just how I see the economics of it. People that want their grandma/gf to use linux as a desktop - that is a personal goal. None of those people give a shit about using linux or they would already.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

#203

Post by JoeAltmaier » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:05 PM UTC

devthrowawy wrote: post #202

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a personal goal? I'm not sure I see any necessary reason that linux exist solely in either category (open-source true purpose, or popular desktop). Did I miss the argument?

I honestly do think you missed it and it's been laid out by my two comments. This isn't a personal goal of mine it's just how I see the economics of it. People that want their grandma/gf to use linux as a desktop - that is a personal goal. None of those people give a shit about using linux or they would already.

Read more -still not getting it. "Breeding corruption" is a throwaway line. How? What happens? Folks use the software in some way, that interferes with the open-source users' own use? I can't see that happening.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

#204

Post by devthrowawy » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:15 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #203

devthrowawy wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly do think you missed it and it's been laid out by my two comments. This isn't a personal goal of mine it's just how I see the economics of it. People that want their grandma/gf to use linux as a desktop - that is a personal goal. None of those people give a shit about using linux or they would already.

Read more -still not getting it. "Breeding corruption" is a throwaway line. How? What happens? Folks use the software in some way, that interferes with the open-source users' own use? I can't see that happening.

It's not the users the cause corruption it's who builds and desires to take control of the system. If billions of people are using something it becomes corrupt because of the immense value of billions of users attention. Looks at every tech company. Spying, ads, censorship. Taken to the extreme these goals are counter to each other. Just look at what Canonical did when Ubuntu got a whiff of becoming a desktop os. You could call it 'selling out'. It's a very common, perhaps inevitable, consequence of popularity.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

#205

Post by JoeAltmaier » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:34 PM UTC

devthrowawy wrote: post #204

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read more -still not getting it. "Breeding corruption" is a throwaway line. How? What happens? Folks use the software in some way, that interferes with the open-source users' own use? I can't see that happening.

It's not the users the cause corruption it's who builds and desires to take control of the system. If billions of people are using something it becomes corrupt because of the immense value of billions of users attention. Looks at every tech company. Spying, ads, censorship. Taken to the extreme these goals are counter to each other. Just look at what Canonical did when Ubuntu got a whiff of becoming a desktop os. You…

And what does this do to open source forks of the code? How does it affect those developers at all?

I guess I'm obliquely commenting that keeping the project small and in the hands of open-source developers, may be pointless. Otherwise, why agonize over what others are doing with it? Either we want others to use the open-source version too so its a popular desktop with lots of attention, or we don't and becoming a popular desktop with lots of attention doesn't affect those open-source die-hards at all. Either way, a successful project becomes popular on a lot of desktops.