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Re: “35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent”

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It's a fundamentally selfish viewpoint that you instead of the site you're using should decide how you consume what the site offers, a point of view that would be considered patently outrageous in many other contexts. Many people here confuse such a thing being possible with such a thing being morally justifiable.

If you are going to attack people for not liking ads maybe throw out a disclaimer about how you make your living?

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Re: “35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent”

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post #75

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>Pay for ad time slots, not user impressions. This is probably the worst thing you can do to online advertising. It's probably one of the only good things about the online ad industry. If you book time slots, only the biggest players will be able to compete for that slot. Essentially killing the entire selling point of online ads, which is giving a chance to smaller players a chance at the game. I don't want to, ever…

You are what you like, given enough information, the ID becomes pointless.

If I allowed tracking, which I don't, the ad companies wouldn't know what to make of me. Middle age white guy devops nerd into manga, anime, fishing, ramen, lo-fi, and coding. Yet, I wear Wrangler jeans, boots, and drink wine. Even my wife thinks I'm an oddball. My kids think I'm cool until it's bed time on a school night and then howls of "Dad, what about Gundam! It's almost over. We promise!"

Re: “35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent”

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post #41

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That is a stupid idea and will get your accounts and IP banned from Google and Cloudflare. Use it yourself if you want, do not encourage others to use it. It is based off uBlock Origin. Just use uBlock Origin.

I'll challenge your claim that it's a stupid idea, if you really want to speak carefully about it together. Your prescription to not prescribe using it requires some justification. The best way to use the tool is to have it click between rarely and sometimes. Anti-tracking tools may allow you to dial it up as well.

Okay.

> The best way to use the tool is to have it click between rarely and sometimes

What you don't realize is most of the users are dumb and set it to maximum click through rate, because they think it is some form of achievement. Going against the advertising mafia, fooling Google, etc.

To load the ads you need to click on, it has to contact the adserver. If it contacts the adserver, what's the point of an adblocker?

Also, faking stuff (here, you are faking your interests by clicking random ads) for privacy reasons is good in only very few situations. The best way to remain private is to not give any info at all, instead of faking it. Faking stuff should be the secondary choice.

Re: “35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent”

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post #153

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How is breaking the mechanism that makes the internet free be producing tons of fraudulent clicks "awesome" in any way?

You see, the main reason I block ads isn't because I disagree with advertising. Advertising itself is fine. I block ads because: - They are often bloated with CPU-intensive JavaScript that makes my web experience less than smooth. I demand that scrolling and other UI actions be imperceptibly fast, and 90% of the time I find it's ads that are the culprit in making them perceptibly slow. - They are often loaded with tr…

You are replying to someone who depends on ads for money. Hard to get someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on it and all that, he's all over the thread crying but not actually refuting any points of the comments he replies to (such as yours).

Re: “35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent”

#205

If I'm going to see ads, I'd prefer targeted ones personally. Show me something I might want - product discover is actually hard, if an ad can show me something that solves a need/want I have that's great for me and for the company.

Why can't ads simply be targeted based on the content of the page or type of website? Show ads related to programming on /r/programming, ads for cars on /r/cars, and ads for antidepressants on r/wallstreetbets

Re: “35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent”

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I unblock ads on sites I find useful, use frequently and want to actively support. If the ads aren't obnoxious, they stay unblocked. Sites wouldn't exist without the users, so they should keep in mind user experience when deciding how to monetize.

It's a fundamentally selfish viewpoint that you instead of the site you're using should decide how you consume what the site offers, a point of view that would be considered patently outrageous in many other contexts. Many people here confuse such a thing being possible with such a thing being morally justifiable.

It really can't surprise you that a common viewpoint on HN is that `Information wants to be free'. This is both in a descriptive sense and a normative sense.

The descriptive sense obviously can't be selfish but the normative one can. So the question is then as follows: are the activists who further this narrative, out of a normative belief, selfish?

I personally don't think so. I believe that people like Aaron Swartz are among the most selfless people to ever exist.

Re: “35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent”

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post #198

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Do you also use other services and then impose your will on how payment will be made? Maybe grocery stores would be better if they worked on subscription. Do you also think it would be justifiable to run out the door with all the shit you want then mail a check later?

Nope. Those are physical goods. They hand me an avocado in return for $1.50. Actual ownership of that avocado is fully transferred at that cost. How my system renders code, or renders a webpage, and which instructions it chooses to run or not run, are upto me, as the owner of the system. Nobody else has the right to control over my hardware. They can only make suggestions, but the final decision about which lines of…

Nobody is trying to control your hardware, you agreed to receiving ads as a part of the terms of service, and then willfully violated those terms.

To use a non-physical example, how is this any different than signing an agreement with a lawyer to give you legal advice, receiving said legal advice, and then refusing to pay?

Re: “35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent”

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she will just have to buy ads on smaller websites, maybe during lesser traffic time periods.

Small publishing sites are all but dead. The internet used to be a lovely village where everyone was on about the same playing field and now it's a handful of skyscrapers surrounded by slums.

i would actually consider those towering skyscrapers to be the slums, and the smaller sites to be potential hidden gems.

Re: “35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent”

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When you say 'on my site' would it be correct to say that you are talking about the one in your 'about' section? If so I was motivated to take a look as a way of expressing support for your design choices. However, you are using a Google-Analytics script???? Nothing wrong with that Buuuuttt.... uhm, yeah.

Yeah, I would like to not use GA too in the ideal world too :/ That said, we do use the Anonymize IP setting and have all of the demographic / interest settings turned off for Google Analytics. We basically whittled 3rd party stuff down to GA and a Google font, so while not 100% perfect, I am pretty happy with the strides we have made.

Thanks for replying.

I commented on it because I spotted the Google Ajax calls which sort of lead me to believe that you might have also been using Google for the Geo-Location stuff. When combined with the GA stuff it made me do a 'hang on a minute, something doesn't match up'. Thanks for taking the time to clarify.

Re: “35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent”

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post #93

I completely forgot Reddit even has ads. I was watching a screen share on someone else's computer who was looking at a news article and I was completely shocked at the experience. How do people live without adblock?

This is what I think whenever using someone else's computer.

Blows my mind when I'm watching someone just sit in silence waiting 10 seconds so they can skip an ad on youtube
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