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Re: Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance

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Post by progman32 »

fermienrico wrote: post #193
dylan604 wrote: post #192

The current thread title "Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance" seems like it could be used to just sum up 2020. Edit: Not just for slack, but 2020 in general

At the risk of sounding like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, I find it funny how pretty much all of us on this planet is blaming things on 2020 year where it is just an arbitrary slice of time we've created. People need something to fall back on and console themselves. Edit: Folks, I was kind of half joking and making fun of NDT. And we're discussing the definition of "Arbitary" and harvesting seasons. Lighten up people.

I understand it as another way of saying "things have been bad lately", and not as blaming a particular slice of time. :shrug: Won't argue though - it is amusing.

Re: Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance

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Post by anderspitman »

paxys wrote: post #195
anderspitman wrote: post #190

You'll get more downtime hosting your own chat server. But you can also fix it immediately when something breaks.

> But you can also fix it immediately when something breaks. Assuming that a random company will pay to have engineering/ops staff on-call 24x7 who all have enough knowledge about their internal chat system.

I don't think there are many companies that don't already have at least a couple things that must stay up 24/7. Who fixes those?

Or pay a company to host your chat system, but use an open source server and just have them manage your instance. If something goes wrong, you email them and they can quickly fix the issue. Because it's a simple system and they know the problem exists on your node.

Besides, I don't need it 24/7. There's always email for that. I need chat during working hours. Slack is currently not fulfilling that need, and even if I could get ahold of someone there, that person wouldn't be able to fix my problem. Their system is too complex.

Re: Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance

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Post by anderspitman »

tyre wrote: post #200
anderspitman wrote: post #190

You'll get more downtime hosting your own chat server. But you can also fix it immediately when something breaks.

if this slack outage lasts 6 hours, it's far less time then someone would spend futzing around with their own chat server that includes deployments, updates, security audits, etc.

Honestly I don't even care if I had to spend 10x more time fiddling with hosting my own. The advantage is choice. If it breaks on a Friday afternoon, maybe we don't care and just call it for the weekend. But if it breaks in the middle of coordinating a deployment (like today), it can become priority #1 on the team until it's resolved. With slack I have no control.

Re: Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance

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Post by dylan604 »

progman32 wrote: post #201
fermienrico wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the risk of sounding like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, I find it funny how pretty much all of us on this planet is blaming things on 2020 year where it is just an arbitrary slice of time we've created. People need something to fall back on and console themselves. Edit: Folks, I was kind of half joking and making fun of NDT. And we're discussing the definition of "Arbitary" and harvesting seasons. Lighten up people.

I understand it as another way of saying "things have been bad lately", and not as blaming a particular slice of time. :shrug: Won't argue though - it is amusing.

That's pretty much it. We've come to framing things in units we can understand. "Today is going to be a great day", "Yesterday sucked", "Here's to a new year", blah blah

Re: Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance

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Post by the_pwner224 »

fermienrico wrote: post #193
dylan604 wrote: post #192

The current thread title "Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance" seems like it could be used to just sum up 2020. Edit: Not just for slack, but 2020 in general

At the risk of sounding like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, I find it funny how pretty much all of us on this planet is blaming things on 2020 year where it is just an arbitrary slice of time we've created. People need something to fall back on and console themselves. Edit: Folks, I was kind of half joking and making fun of NDT. And we're discussing the definition of "Arbitary" and harvesting seasons. Lighten up people.

It's not blaming the issues on the year, but a joke that the current big arbitrary slice of time most humans use has had a bunch of bad stuff happen in it and keeps having more bad things happen.

Re: Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance

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Post by illuminated »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #136
jacquesc wrote: post #13

This backend outage reveals how horrible the Slack UI is implemented. You post a message.... you think it got sent. Then 1min later, it tells you it was not.

The concept is called 'optimistic updating' and the intent is to make the UI 'feel faster' by assuming a positive response from the back-end, and only reverting when things go awry. Given the vast majority of messaging attempts will complete successfully, it's easy to see why the interaction pattern is used. The converse is pessimistic rendering: waiting for the server response before updating the UI (and possibly sh…

> Facebook Messenger has the best UX paradigm for this I've seen

Viber had a similar thing long before FB's messenger: single gray check mark character if the message is sent, double gray check mark if it is received by the recipient and double check mark in purple if it is seen.

The only issue is with the purple color of the "seen" as it can sometimes blend into an image behind it (if the message was consisting of an image).

Re: Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance

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Post by devmunchies »

fermienrico wrote: post #193
dylan604 wrote: post #192

The current thread title "Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance" seems like it could be used to just sum up 2020. Edit: Not just for slack, but 2020 in general

At the risk of sounding like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, I find it funny how pretty much all of us on this planet is blaming things on 2020 year where it is just an arbitrary slice of time we've created. People need something to fall back on and console themselves. Edit: Folks, I was kind of half joking and making fun of NDT. And we're discussing the definition of "Arbitary" and harvesting seasons. Lighten up people.

> year where it is just an arbitrary slice of time we've created

"arbitrary" defined as "based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system". Since a year is one revolution around the sun, our source of energy, it doesn't seem arbitrary at all.

Between the rotations of the earth (day/night), revolutions around the sun, changing of the seasons, phases of the moon, we basically live in a clock.

Re: Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance

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Post by ifaxmycodetok8s »

kevindong wrote: post #188
ifaxmycodetok8s wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're question is it a viable alternative to Slack for business purposes, the answer is no. And it's not bc of anything related to the application itself but because of the insane TOS. > By uploading, distributing, transmitting or otherwise using Your Content with the Service, you grant to us a perpetual, nonexclusive, transferable, royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use, host, reproduce, modif…

> in connection with operating and providing the Service I'm not a lawyer, but that seems like a key limiting clause in that statement.

yeah agreed. but at the same time it seems just vague enough.

Re: Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance

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Post by mattmanser »

fermienrico wrote: post #193
dylan604 wrote: post #192

The current thread title "Users may be unable to connect or experiencing degraded performance" seems like it could be used to just sum up 2020. Edit: Not just for slack, but 2020 in general

At the risk of sounding like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, I find it funny how pretty much all of us on this planet is blaming things on 2020 year where it is just an arbitrary slice of time we've created. People need something to fall back on and console themselves. Edit: Folks, I was kind of half joking and making fun of NDT. And we're discussing the definition of "Arbitary" and harvesting seasons. Lighten up people.

How is it arbitrary? It's an extremely meaningful measurement of time. Most life around the entire world revolves around the four seasons that we've designated as a 'year'. That includes humans as well.

Did Neil DeGrasse Tyson really say this? Seems very close-minded, as if physics is somehow more meaningful than the only thing that actually makes it worth anything at all.

Life.

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